Home Community

Is it a hartely oscillator??
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
May 25, 2013, 05:24:35 PM
Home Help Search Calendar Login Register
News: trade your components on this new board: "Components trade"

Advertisements
No New Posts
Today at 01:39:33 AM
in
Advertisements
by google

+  Electronics-Lab.com Community
|-+  Electronics Forums
| |-+  Theory articles (Moderator: redwire)
| | |-+  Is it a hartely oscillator??
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 Print
Author Topic: Is it a hartely oscillator??  (Read 3905 times)
walid
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 654


I LOVE PALESTINE, GURU is my teacher


View Profile Email
« on: November 18, 2010, 07:51:24 PM »

Is this circuit using a hartely osc.?

if yes please answer these questions:
1- is the emitter resistor affect the frequency of oscillation?
2- this is a transmitter circuit, is it FM or AM and why?

thank you very much.
Logged

audioguru
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 14191


I'm a theory expert! $crooge and I are thrifty.


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 09:00:56 PM »

Is this circuit using a hartely osc.?
Hi Walid.
Yes, because its coil is tapped and provides positive feedback to the base of the transistor.

Quote
1- is the emitter resistor affect the frequency of oscillation?
No, it affects the current in the transistor which changes the output power.

Quote
2- this is a transmitter circuit, is it FM or AM and why?
It is simply a continuous carrier frequency without AM nor FM modulation.
If something modulates the amplitude of the carrier then it is AM. If something modulates the frequency of the carrier then it is FM. Some simple modulators produce both at the same time.
Logged


walid
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 654


I LOVE PALESTINE, GURU is my teacher


View Profile Email
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2010, 06:49:00 AM »

Thank you guru it is good and fast answer
Now you this is only an oscillator niether AM nor FM
what you think it used for?
thank you guru
Logged

audioguru
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 14191


I'm a theory expert! $crooge and I are thrifty.


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2010, 09:06:47 AM »

what you think it used for?
It might be used in a very simple and cheap child's toy for remotely turning something on and off when it has a simple receiver.
Logged


walid
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 654


I LOVE PALESTINE, GURU is my teacher


View Profile Email
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2010, 04:14:14 PM »

Like this:
http://www.talkingelectronics.com/projects/27MHz%20Transmitters/27MHzLinks-1.html

i understand you the reciever sense the carriar if ther is a cariar it do somthing like moving forward if no carriar do somthing else.

thank you guru
Logged

KevinIV
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 1260


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 04:21:49 PM »

The hartely oscillator has many drawbacks as do ther other simple oscillators. It could have to do with the resonant frequency of the LC and the ability to get high enough gain. It may also have to do with any change in load conditions that could prevent or stop oscillation.
Logged

walid
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 654


I LOVE PALESTINE, GURU is my teacher


View Profile Email
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 04:49:36 PM »

The hartely oscillator has many drawbacks as do ther other simple oscillators. It could have to do with the resonant frequency of the LC and the ability to get high enough gain.
Please i didn't understand.
Quote
It may also have to do with any change in load conditions that could prevent or stop oscillation.
what if we use a buffer circuit between?

thank you KevinIV
Logged

KevinIV
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 1260


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2010, 02:30:58 PM »

A buffer circuit is needed. Most oscillators I've seen have a whole lot of transistors. There only a few capacitors and or inductors used to resonate.
Logged

KevinIV
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 1260


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2011, 02:16:53 PM »

Is there any reason for the center-tapped inductor being standard to the Hartley Oscillator? Using two inductors should allow for a better design because this part of the circuit has less tolerance. Or is there a mathematical advantage to using the center-tapped inductor?
Logged

audioguru
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 14191


I'm a theory expert! $crooge and I are thrifty.


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2011, 02:30:32 PM »

Is there any reason for the center-tapped inductor being standard to the Hartley Oscillator? Using two inductors should allow for a better design because this part of the circuit has less tolerance. Or is there a mathematical advantage to using the center-tapped inductor?
A center-tapped single inductor is used because it inverts the signal. The collector of the oscillator transistor produces a signal at one end and the base receives the signal at the other end. The signal is inverted to produce positive feedback to sustain oscillation. The transistor can have a voltage gain of only slightly more than 1 and the oscillator still works.
Logged


KevinIV
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 1260


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2011, 01:41:59 PM »

The circuit layout can produce 270 degrees of feedback. Is C1 and the emitter resistor used for any of the phase lag, or is C1 just a coupling capacitor?
Logged

Hero999
Global Moderator
Electronics God
*****
Posts: 2471



View Profile
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2011, 01:49:05 PM »

The circuit layout can produce 270 degrees of feedback.
Not if the circuit is assembled correctly.

 
Quote
Is C1 and the emitter resistor used for any of the phase lag, or is C1 just a coupling capacitor?
C1 AC couples the feedback from the inductor to the transistor.

I'd be surprised if this circuit works at all with R1 at 1M. The proper way is to bias the transistor with a potential divider.
Logged

I also post at:
http://www.silicontronics.com

I do not answer private messages asking for help because no one else can: benefit from advice I may give or correct me if I'm wrong.

Please ask on the open forum if you have a question: if I know the answer, I'll be happy to help.

KevinIV
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 1260


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2011, 01:58:01 PM »

Then C1 has a low impedance compared to the transistor input impedance? Where is the collector voltage compared to C1 input voltage?
Logged

audioguru
Electronics God
*****
Gender: Male
Posts: 14191


I'm a theory expert! $crooge and I are thrifty.


View Profile
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2011, 02:30:09 PM »

Then C1 has a low impedance compared to the transistor input impedance? Where is the collector voltage compared to C1 input voltage?
A simple calculation shows that the 1000pf of C1 has a reactance of only 5.9 ohms at 27MHz so it is almost a dead short with no phase shift.

The center-tapped coil has 45 turns on the collector side and the same 45 turns on the base side so the base signal is the same amplitude as the collector signal.
The center-tap makes the coil like a teeter-totter. When one side goes high then the other side goes low which is 180 degrees phase shift. The transistor inverts so it also has 180 degrees phase shift. The total phase shift of 360 degrees results in oscillation.
Logged


Pages: [1] 2 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

Advertisements
No New Posts
Today at 01:39:33 AM
in
Advertisements
by google


Login with username, password and session length

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!

 

 

Search Site | Advertising | Add your link here | Contact Us | Android TV Box
Elektrotekno.com | Free Schematics Search Engine | Electronic Kits | Electronic Accessories