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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1680 on: February 02, 2012, 06:39:43 PM »
So it should be voltage between (-) output of supply and P2 (+ input of U3) or am I wrong?

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1681 on: February 05, 2012, 06:33:28 AM »
Ok just finish building the power supply, I had to make a new PCB but this project has taught me a lot. so I didnt mind.
I use the TL081 but use a LM7809 to drop the voltage down, use a 30V 3Amp transformer and the Power supply outputs 25 volts which isnt bad :D Thanks for all the inputs into this thread it help to better my design :) Here's a couple of photos.







No room left for the amp meter to be install inside the case, so stuck it on the side  :D

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1682 on: March 04, 2012, 02:49:39 PM »
I am Iranian. And I've closed the project. Much higher.thanks you
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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1683 on: March 04, 2012, 05:59:08 PM »
I am Iranian. And I've closed the project. Much higher.thanks you
You can just see you here
www.dehnokit.blogfa.com
You built the original project that used old parts that were overloaded so it is not reliable.
This improved version uses modern parts operating within their maximum limits.

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1684 on: April 07, 2012, 04:09:53 AM »
Hi

week ago i finished this PSU ( with latest part list). I have one problem, with current regulation; ammeter shows me some current ( when i connect something) but i cant regulate it ( current), LED light up when i turn potentiometer to the max, then voltage drops. Voltage regulation works fine... Maybe i wrong connected ammeter ( I attached picture how i connect it).

sry for my english...

TY

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1685 on: April 07, 2012, 06:52:25 AM »
Hi Tompa,
Since your current meter is in series with the load then its resistance reduces voltage regulation at the load. It will be better to use a voltmeter to measure the voltage across R7 which shows the amount of output current without reducing the voltage regulation.

When the current control is turned to minimum then the current regulation begins when the current is a few mA.
When the current control is turned to maximum then the current regulation begins when the current is 3.0A.

The current regulator reduces the output voltage until the load current is what is set by the current control. When regulating the current then the LED should light to warn you that the output voltage is being reduced.

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1686 on: April 30, 2012, 09:53:25 AM »
Been lurking around here for a while, I built this power supply over the course of a few years and it's served me well in it's half completed state (need to build the DMM project here to finish it).

However, for some reason, at times, Q1 will turn on (this should turn on only on powerdown?) and start cooking U2 (output drops to 0.15v at any setting). If left off for a day, it will work properly again until it randomly occurs again.

Pin 6 of U2 measures 42.9v
D5 measures 0.3v instead of -6.1v
D7 measures ~0.2v instead of -5.74v
The electrolytic caps C1, C2, C3 and C7 are not damaged and show the proper capacitance.

Swapping the TLE2141s around confirms that the chips are not damaged as it works properly for a while.

Could having a 10k pot for RV1 instead of 5k be the cause?
I'm otherwise completely stumped as I've measured all parts of the -5.6v negative supply and they all check out fine.

EDIT: Added diagram of PSU version I'm using

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1687 on: April 30, 2012, 12:50:39 PM »
Q1 was used when the opamps were TL081 because they had the problem called "Phase Inversion" where the output would suddenly go high when the input became within a few volts of the negative supply (that happens when the power is turned off).

The TLE2141 opamps do not have this problem because they work perfectly when their input is at the same voltage as the negative supply.

The circuit with the TLE2141 opamps was changed so that the negative supply is only -1.3V so that their total supply was never more than their max allowed supply of 44V.
If your negative supply is -5.6V then U2 will have a total supply of about 48V which might blow it up.

Maybe your negative supply is too low because R2 or C2 is bad.

You have pin 4 of U3 connected to the power input ground instead of to the negative supply.
Its output must be able to swing at least -0.8V (that is why the new negative supply is -1.3V) so tha D9 can reduce the input of U2 to 0V when the output is shorted.

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1688 on: May 01, 2012, 08:19:53 PM »
Thanks for the advice audioguru, it's much appreciated.

Looks like I'm going to have to remove a few components and correct a mistake on the PCB. (U3 gets it's "negative" supply from the 0v rail which doesn't seem right.)

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1689 on: May 06, 2012, 11:02:06 PM »
Finally, fixed the problems with my PSU and updated it to the latest (March 2009?) version.
Turns out that the trace from the AC supply to R2 was intermittent, causing the negative supply to fail.
The output was very low due to the trace out of the base of Q2 being broken.
Next, a digital multimeter to finish off the PSU.

Thanks again audioguru!

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1690 on: May 11, 2012, 09:36:27 PM »
Hi All!

What do you think about this version of the scheme?
But i have only 19,8VAC transformer. Can i use this scheme having replaced U4 on 7818, D13 on 2,4v zener? Will it work? Is this scheme reliable?

(sorry for my english)

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1691 on: May 12, 2012, 06:16:58 AM »
What do you think about this version of the scheme?
But i have only 19,8VAC transformer. Can i use this scheme having replaced U4 on 7818, D13 on 2,4v zener? Will it work? Is this scheme reliable?
Since your voltages are very low, many resistor values will need to be re-calculated.
You do not need to use U4 and D13 since without them the unregulated positive supply is only +26V which is fine for a TL071 or TL081 opamp.

With U4 and D13 the maximum output voltage will be only about +14.4V. Without U4 and D13 the maximum output voltage will be about +20V.

If U5 is a -5V regulator then it will not work (it is not needed anyway) since its input voltage is too low.

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1692 on: May 12, 2012, 08:48:07 AM »
Since your voltages are very low, many resistor values will need to be re-calculated.

Can you help me?

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You do not need to use U4 and D13 since without them the unregulated positive supply is only +26V which is fine for a TL071 or TL081 opamp.

I want to limit the input voltage. If the line voltage change. So that the output has always been a 20V.

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With U4 and D13 the maximum output voltage will be only about +14.4V. Without U4 and D13 the maximum output voltage will be about +20V.

Just in this scheme, the output voltage 30VDC (U4+D13=30,2V). I decided if I'm have 20V, then i  need replace the U4 and D13 (18+2,4=20,4V). I was wrong? The output voltage of 20V was enough for me.

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If U5 is a -5V regulator then it will not work (it is not needed anyway) since its input voltage is too low.

It also surprised me. I think D7 not needed. Am I right?
Or, maybe, you advise me another way in my situation. I read this and some similar forum almost 2 weeks and dont know what to do. Thank you anyway.

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Re: 0-30 Vdc Stabilized Power Supply
« Reply #1693 on: May 12, 2012, 11:54:26 AM »
Since your voltages are very low, many resistor values will need to be re-calculated.

Can you help me?
Too much trouble. Use the proper 28VAC or 30VAC transformer and the proper opamps.

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I want to limit the input voltage. If the line voltage change. So that the output has always been a 20V.
I don't know why your input voltage changes, mine does not change.
A TIP3055 at 3A has a maximum base-emitter voltage loss of 1.7V.
A BD139 at 110mA has a maximum base-emitter voltage loss of 0.8V.
The 1k series base resistor R15 feeding the BD139 has a maximum voltage loss of 1.5V.
Opamp U2 has a maximum voltage loss of about 3.3V and you are powering it with only +20.4V.
Then the maximum output voltage can be as low as +13.1V when calculated properly.

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I decided if I'm have 20V, then i  need replace the U4 and D13 (18+2,4=20,4V). I was wrong? The output voltage of 20V was enough for me.
You forgot to see the voltage losses on the datasheets.
The corrected and improved circuit here has an output of +30V at 3A when its unregulated positive supply is +37.6V from a rectified 28VAC transformer.

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I decided if I'm have 20V, then i  need replace the U4 and D13 (18+2,4=20,4V). I was wrong?
Yes you are wrong.

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I think D7 not needed. Am I right?
No.
D7 is a negative 5.6V regulator. It was needed in the original project. Your additional 5V regulator U5 is not needed.