Guest Kasamiko Posted December 13, 2003 Report Share Posted December 13, 2003 Hi,I've been planning to construct a power inverter at least 500 watts,230 VAC,sinewave or quasi-sinewave output..My friends told me that using an Inverter with a square wave output is not good to power some home appliances?? ::)thanks for any info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 Kasamiko,Some information on Inverters:There are 3 major types of inverters - sine wave (or "true" sine wave), modified sine wave (actually a modified square wave), and square wave. Sine WaveA sine wave is what you get from your local utility company and (usually) from a generator. This is because it is generated by rotating AC machinery and sine waves are a natural product of rotating AC machinery. The major advantage of a sine wave inverter is that all of the equipment which is sold on the market is designed for a sine wave. This guarantees that the equipment will work to its full specifications. Some appliances, such as motors and microwave ovens will only produce full output with sine wave power. A few appliances, such as bread makers, light dimmers, and some battery chargers require a sine wave to work at all. Sine wave inverters are always more expensive - from 2 to 3 times as much. Modified Sine Wave (quasi-sine)A modified sine wave inverter actually has a waveform more like a square wave, but with an extra step or so. A modified sine wave inverter will work fine with most equipment, although the efficiency or power will be reduced with some. Motors, such as refrigerator motor, pumps, fans etc will use more power from the inverter due to lower efficiency. Most motors will use about 20% more power. This is because a fair percentage of a modified sine wave is higher frequencies - that is, not 60 Hz (or 50 Hz, depending upon your location) - so the motors cannot use it. Some fluorescent lights will not operate quite as bright, and some may buzz or make annoying humming noises. Appliances with electronic timers and/or digital clocks will often not operate correctly. Many appliances get their timing from the line power - basically, they take the 50/60 Hz (cycles per second) and divide it down to 1 per second or whatever is needed. Because the modified sine wave is noisier and rougher than a pure sine wave, clocks and timers may run faster or not work at all. They also have some parts of the wave that are not 50/60 Hz, which can make clocks run fast. Items such as bread makers and light dimmers may not work at all - in many cases appliances that use electronic temperature controls will not control. The most common is on such things as variable speed drills will only have two speeds - on and off. Square WaveVery few but the very cheapest inverters any more are square wave. A square wave inverter will run simple things like tools with universal motors with no problem - but not much else. These are seldom seen any more except in the very cheap or very old ones. MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixos Posted December 15, 2003 Report Share Posted December 15, 2003 MP answers you exaclty what you needed :D !I give you some nice links also:Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS) FAQhttp://www.jetcafe.org/~npc/doc/ups-faq.htmlDC to AC inverter and UPS Pagehttp://www.epanorama.net/links/psu_dcac.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kasamiko Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 That's a lot of info.. :DThanks a lot.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotwaterwizard Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 I saw a circuit somewhere that used an Audio Amplifier as a Power Inverter by driving a Transformer with the Bridged Outputs. They fed a precision 60hz signwave into the inputs to drive it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 John, do you know where that circuit is? A link? It sounds very similar to one I am making now. It would be great if I could compare what someone else has done already.MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kasamiko Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 That setup is not practical I think..If you want a 300 watts inverter, you must have an amplifier that is capable of at least 300 watts also..One thing this inverter excel, it can produce a true sine wave, not just a modified square or triangular waves.. ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Yes, the true sine wave is the appealing part of this. The part I am currently struggling with is the current loss when using a step up transformer that is not expensive. Anyone have a good schematic that they would like to share? MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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