findhelporbust Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 ???trying to do a simple circuit and it's not turning on.i have an ac line going to a bridge rectifier. does this work without a transformer?because my led and fan do not turn on. actually nothing does.can anybody help?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Hi Bust,Welcome to our forum. ;DYou can't operate low voltage devices from 120VAC efficiently. I don't see the 2nd AC wire in your circuit so I corrected it, but with 22k resistors then the fan and LED get only about 5mA so the fan probably won't run and the LED won't be very bright.The 22k resistors will dissipate about 0.64W so better be rated for about 2W so they won't get too hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findhelporbust Posted October 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 hmm, i have another question, see if youv'e come across this. the 22 k in the drwing is like 20 resistors in series, but number wise they add up to 22k but when i measure with a multimeter it says like 40k?!?I don't get it, do i have to use smaller value resistors to get 22k?(what i mean is.... paper value is 22k reality value is closer to 40k? why is this... you think i took to long to soder them? because they are surface mount resistors.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 You used 20 tiny resistors in series instead of a single big one?I think you cooked a few. Measure each one with your ohm-meter to find them.Did you ever get the LEDs to light dimly?Does the fan run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findhelporbust Posted October 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 not yet but i'll find out later today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findhelporbust Posted October 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 i don't under stand, all of them are much higher values than they indicate... did i fry them all?is there a special way to soder the surface mount resistors? ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 I've soldered surface-mount parts without any problems, but I didn't use the 150W soldering gun like you.My soldering iron is temperature controlled and I have a small tip for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findhelporbust Posted October 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 it says it's a 12w gun... hummm...you can just splice into an ac line right, you don't need a transformer?another thing is i tried to measure my resistance from the positive to the negative... what kind of shocked me is that it measured 10k ohms? short in the bridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 you don't need a transformer?Most low voltage electronic circuits use a transformer. Even my soldering iron has one.i tried to measure my resistance from the positive to the negative... what kind of shocked me is that it measured 10k ohms? short in the bridge?If your switch is turned off, then you are measuring the resistance of the "resistor series" on your schematic, whatever that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findhelporbust Posted October 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 well i have the resistor series disconected.I guess to be effiecient it needs a transformer, but don't have the space so i can do without right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I have some fairly small and very lightweight switching power supplies that have an output of 5V/2A. Cell phones also use a small charger. They use electronic switching tricks instead of a transformer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ldanielrosa Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Um, mind if I ask what this is for that a transformer won't fit? And assuming it's not a terribly hazardous application, can you be more specific about the power requirements of the fan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alun Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I have some fairly small and very lightweight switching power supplies that have an output of 5V/2A. Cell phones also use a small charger. They use electronic switching tricks instead of a transformer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Switching power supplies do use transformers, all switching regulators that have an isolated output use a transformer, the only differance is it's a smaller ferrite transformer that operates at a higher frequency typically 50kHz to 500kHz.Correct! :-[The transformer is so small I could hardly see it. It has tiny surface-mount Mosfets driving it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findhelporbust Posted October 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 lookes like i have to do more research on these transformers - :'(the reason i could not fit an iron core transformer (the normal size ones) is that i have a very restrictive area, can not fit much more than wires, the fan and led have cutouts in the frame, would not look nice or professional if it had a transformer hanging out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 It would look very professional to have a jack for the plug and wire from a DC output wall-wart AC adapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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