audioguru Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 i have my supply connected in parallel and works fine.It is difficult to set each supply to exactly the same output voltage.One supply might be 20.1V and the other is 20.0V.The one with 20.1V will power the load and the one with 20.0V will cause the driver and output transistors to exceed their maximum allowed reverse-bias emitter base voltage (5V and 7V) and break down slowly, because the opamp U2 will see that the output voltage is too high and will try to reduce it by driving the base of the driver transistor to ground. Then all 3 transistors break down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinDTrek Posted September 12, 2013 Report Share Posted September 12, 2013 It is difficult to set each supply to exactly the same output voltage.One supply might be 20.1V and the other is 20.0V.The one with 20.1V will power the load and the one with 20.0V will cause the driver and output transistors to exceed their maximum allowed reverse-bias emitter base voltage (5V and 7V) and break down slowly, because the opamp U2 will see that the output voltage is too high and will try to reduce it by driving the base of the driver transistor to ground. Then all 3 transistors break down. i see... so far i don't see any problem with my 2 x 5A supply using in parallel. previously i did connect a 2 light bulb rated at 12V 50W each to test the supply in parallel configuration and i was able to draw 8+A of current from the 2 supply (4+A each) and run that for a while good thing it did not harm or damage the 2 power supply.. one thing i noticed though was that the ammeter reading was fluctuating..i guess due to load sharing.. anyway i will not use my supply in parallel unless otherwise it's really needed... thanks for the advise guru.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Weddle Posted September 14, 2013 Report Share Posted September 14, 2013 oh yeah. how about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cortiz Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Hi, I'm really a beginner, I'll like to build this power supply I see a lot if fixes and recommendation. my question is Where i can get the latest diagram, BOM, etc …, the one on http://electronics-lab.com/projects/power/001/index.html is up to date?I just want to be my first project so I can work on other stuff :d. thanks for any pointers and helpNote A do have a really really basic Electronic background (really basic stuff V=IR …) , also could someone knows a good book or books to self learn a bit more (t build/desing basic stuff like counters, sensors …) stuff like that, I'll not build/design a Mark IV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 This thread and a few other threads show the latest parts list and schematic. Some threads show a pcb layout.Here are the details again.Most of us learned electronics in high school and university.A good book (I got mine on the internet for free) is The Art Of Electronics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ahmad.e.c.m Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 hello everyone !!I need a circuit which I can increase or decrease the current.thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted September 21, 2013 Report Share Posted September 21, 2013 hello everyone !!I need a circuit which I can increase or decrease the current.Control potentiometer P2 increases or decreases the current in this circuit.Ohm's Law says that in a certain resistance, increasing the voltage across the resistor increases the current and decreasing the voltage across it decreases the current.That is how the current regulation in this project works. It senses the load current in R7 and opamp U3 adjusts the output voltage so that the load current is what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ahmad.e.c.m Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Is there a circuit that can do the job alone?thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Is there a circuit that can do the job alone?A very large variable resistor and a power supply can increase or decrease the current.Usually people change the voltage, not the current because the voltage and the load resistance determine the current.Why do you want to change the current instead of changing the voltage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ahmad.e.c.m Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 I really want to control the output current.I would avoid the surge current.Do you have a method?Thank you for your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 I really want to control the output current.I would avoid the surge current.Do you have a method?Ohm's Law usually controls the current. A low load resistance uses a high current. A high load resistance uses a low current.When you change the current yourself then you are also changing the voltage.This project regulates the current so you can set a certain maximum amount of current. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ahmad.e.c.m Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 My purpose is to control the output current.For when the output is short circuit.Like most power supplies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 This project has a current control pot, P2:1) When it is set to minimum then the maximum current into a resistance or into a short is a few mA.2) When it is set to maximum rotation then the maximum current is 3.0A.3) When it is set to half rotation then the maximum current is 1.5A.4) When it is set to any other amount of rotation then the maximum current will be the percentage.If you set the voltage to 30V, set the current to 2A and the load is 10 ohms then the current regulator circuit reduces the output voltage to 20.0V because Ohm's Law says that 2A x 10 ohms= 20V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete1990 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 hey,first up thanks for sharing that project. I just recently build up my second version of the circuit, due to a failure of my first one (which wasn't looking too nice anyways...). And here is the reason why I'm writing here:The Power Supply is almost working perfect, but there is a thing what I can't explain to myself. The regulation of voltage works fine. The regulation of current works as well, but if I turn the current pot all the way left (minimal current) the current limiter LED turns on (although there is no load at all connected). It doesn't matter in what positions both Pots are, my selfmade Volt and Currentmeter measures a small current from less than 10mA. That current is mesured and calculated over the voltage over R5. If I measure the Voltage over R5 with my multimeter I always have a small negative Voltage (about -30mV; thats probably why the Limiter LED is on and the Outputvoltage is Cut to 0V).Do you have any Idea at which part of the circuit I should begin to look for that bug to get it fixed?I've made a short video clip to visualize the problem: best Regards,peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 The regulation of current works as well, but if I turn the current pot all the way left (minimal current) the current limiter LED turns on (although there is no load at all connected). It doesn't matter in what positions both Pots are, my selfmade Volt and Currentmeter measures a small current from less than 10mA. That current is mesured and calculated over the voltage over R5. If I measure the Voltage over R5 with my multimeter I always have a small negative Voltage (about -30mV; thats probably why the Limiter LED is on and the Outputvoltage is Cut to 0V).Do you have any Idea at which part of the circuit I should begin to look for that bug to get it fixed?I do not know which schematic you used. R5 in the original schematic and in my modified schematic has nothing to do with current regulation.The opamp for the voltage reference and its zener diode have currents that go through the 0.47 ohm current-sensing resistor. The opamp for current regulation has an input offset voltage that is not cancelled so maybe the 33 ohm resistor value needs to be increased so that the small currents are not detected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete1990 Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 hey,thanks for your answer. I'm sorry, it's R7 I was talking about...my mistake. I will have a look at the 33 Ohm resistor and I'm using the original shematic ().peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted November 25, 2013 Report Share Posted November 25, 2013 The original schematic and parts list have many errors. The result does not produce 30V at 3A and is not reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_81 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Hi guys,I almost started to do a schematic ver.0 (the one from kit) and than stumbled upon this thread. I read it from firs to last page. What to say, u saved my life. I did PSU on last version with MC34071 from ebay and used it in school where kids do a lot of short circuits during practice and this nice piece of design survived 2 years of daily torture. I got a bit lazy to bring it home->job->home... so i decided to make another one.My problem is that there is no more ICs to find anywhere at reasonable price tag, neither MC or TLE variant. They were like 1$/piece but now i cant to find them anywhere. I live in EU and shipping from USA is insane so im kind of stuck!Any suggestions? Some replacements for IC s? im trying to find something on my own but no success.tnx in advancePs: one more time, big tnx to audioguru, redwire, picmaster and all others for effort on this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwire Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 What about Farnell/element14/Newark? very common part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted December 13, 2013 Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 ON Semi stopped making the MC34071 opamp in a through-holes case. Digikey and/or Newark might still have some left. It is now only tiny and surface-mount that might get too hot in this project. The TLE2141 is still made in a through holes case. Almost all parts distributors have some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nekhbet Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 I found the project on google then I saw the forum and I'm a little bit confused .. can someone please tell which is the current version of the schematics?Thank you!Happy Holidays!Sorin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Here are the latest schematic and parts list again: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwire Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I'm working on a smd version of this board with the TLE2141ID chip. The only thru hole components are the BD139, bridge rectifier, and R7. I plan to use a MJ11016, a darlington power transistor with a minimum gain of 1,000 in lieu of the 2N3055. Sure you may loose 0.7 volts on the output but with the 28V transformer there is enough headroom to still get 30V. I don't think the BD139 will even need a heat sink. Waiting on a few parts to assemble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguru Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Hi Redwire,Will the tiny surface-mount TL2141 for location U2 survive the heat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwire Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 U2 Drives the output transistors. With a minimum gain of 1,000 for the MJ11016, a 3A output will require a 3/1000 = 3 milliamp current from the BD139. The BD139 has a minimum gain of about 40, so 3milliamps /40= nothing.The C-E saturation voltage for the MJ11016 is 200mA at 20Amps, so for max output the BD139 would have to provide 200mv. With a gain of 40, U2 would only need to provide 5 milliamps. I think the TLE2141ID can provide at least 20ma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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