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Trigger an SCR to switch a negative voltage


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Hi,

Just wondering about how to trigger an SCR for discharging a negatively charged capacitor into a coil.

I assume the gate must be set at some voltage relative to the cathode voltage. If this is the case, the cathode being at up to -1kV relative to ground would need a transformer right?

Is this diagram correct?

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I would check the holding current of the SCR you use, it needs to be greater than 1A in your circuit.


Why is that? The holding current is the minimum current that must flow from anode to cathode for the SCR to remain in the ON state after the gate trigger pulse dies out.

In this application the current flowing will be much much more than 1A even over short periods of time.

If anything, one would aim for an SCR with the lowest holding current.

The holding current is a specification of the SCR itself. The gate current limiting resistor (if any) will not affect that characteristic like the base resistor in a bipolar transistor switch does not affect the maximum Vc-e rating.
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I think you have missed the point of Riccardos circuit. He is trying to dump the energy in the capacitor in the coil. The peak current will be several 10s of amperes after some time after the gate trigger pulse.The current will then decay as the capacitor discharges until it falls below the holding current at which point the scr will switch off with some energy left in the capacitor. R1 will then slowly reacharge the capacitor. Riccardo is not using the 1kV suppky and R1 to supply current to the coil directly. He probably doesnt want to switch it off anyway before the capacitor is discharged.

The holding current for a thyristor of the size of the BT152 is in the 10s of mA. And for a much larger thyristor it will be about a few hundends of mA. In any case much lower than 1A. Is there even a thyroistor with such a holding current?

The two transitor model does not explain the physics in a thyristor, just the latching action. Holding current does not depend on the gate resistor, it is a fundamental specification of the device that depends on temperature.

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I fully appreciate that the idea of the circuit is to dump the energy from the capacitor into the coil, not from R1 directly. My point is this; the current sourced from R1 and the 1kV supply used to recharge the capacitor is enough to keep the SCR latched. For example the holding current for a BT152 may be as low as 16mA. If we take the values in Riccardo

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Lyker Says:

A lower resistance from gate to cathode will result in a higher current required to hold the SCR latched.


How would I calculate this?

The short circuit current from the 1kV source will be 270mA, so how can I use a resistor to make the holding current say 300mA?

I'm a bit confused by this idea, I also thought it was not possible to do it like this. Here'a a quote from Wikipedia (yes I know it is not the most reliable source).
It should be noted that once avalanche breakdown has occurred, the thyristor continues to conduct, irrespective of the gate voltage, until both: (a) the potential VG is removed and (b) the current through the device (anode−cathode) is less than the holding current specified by the manufacturer.

SCR is the same as a Thyristor right?
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He is right, Rgk does affect holding current.

I found these documents:

http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Application_Notes/AN1001.pdf
http://www.teccor.com/data/en/Application_Notes/AN1008.pdf
http://us.st.com/stonline/products/literature/an/3563.pdf

Especially the last one on page 7 has a graph that you will find useful.

I was not aware of this. I am not sure why this is so. Anyway, very useful.

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