Nicet Training

[Fire Tech]

Good Afternoon:

I'm interested in obtaining some information regarding Nicet Certification
in the U.S. I'm posting from Vancouver, Canada and am primarily looking to
review the training and experience requirements so I can compare them to
what's available here through ASTTBC (http://www.fireprotection.asttbc.org).
I'd also be interested in having a look at the course curriculum for each
level. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks & regards,

Frank

 

[Nick Markowitz]

If you ask me NICET training is not worth the paper it is written on when i
see all the slope out there being installed by NICET certified techs.

how ever i bieleive the website is www.nicet.org

 

[Crash Gordon]

Except if the AHJ requires plans be submitted by NICET person.


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| how ever i bieleive the website is www.nicet.org
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[Fire Tech]

Sad to say, I'm finding the exact same thing here. I'm currently involved
in a bit of "discussion" with ASTTBC over some "sloppy" work done by some of
their technicians in a project I've been called in to assist on. Sort of
makes you want to ''gnash your teeth", but I'm recovering from a root canal
(done yesterday) which makes doing that a bit painful.

Thanks for the link.

Regards,

Frank

 

[Frank Olson]

Good Afternoon:

I'm interested in obtaining some information regarding Nicet Certification
in the U.S. I'm posting from Vancouver, Canada and am primarily looking to
review the training and experience requirements so I can compare them to
what's available here through ASTTBC (http://www.fireprotection.asttbc.org).
I'd also be interested in having a look at the course curriculum for each
level. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks & regards,

Frank

Have you seen the CFAA site (http://www.cfaa.ca)? It's a bit on the
"hokey" side, but it appears they have the "inside track" in a number of
Provinces. I don't know if there's a "BC Chapter", but I imagine if you
drop them an email (or give their toll free number a call), you could
certainly find out.

Frank Olson
http://www.yoursecuritysource.com

 

[Michael Baker]

That's why I say "pick two". Pick two of the suggested requirements
from NFPA 72. For example - a licensed electrician and NICET level II,
or factory trained and certified and NICET level II or, etc.

 

[jewellfish]

I just completed testing for my lvl 2 NICET certification and I found
the test modules very disappointing.

The questions seemed, for the most part, to dwell on the arcain and
trivial. It would be very possible to have a perfect score on all the
modules and still not have a clue as to how to install a fire alarm
system.

I have had the good fortune of working with an "old timer" who
understands the meaning of craftsmanship. He knows NFPA 72, which
tells him what and where but not how. And, understands what you can't
find in any wriiten code. Intergrity. Honor. NICET doens't test over
that kind of material.

 

[Michael Baker]

Just curious, how would you improve NICET testing?

 

[Frank Olson]

Just curious, how would you improve NICET testing?

Topless supervisors??

 

[coord]

Topless supervisors??

That look like Tom perhaps?

 

[Frank Olson]

That look like Tom perhaps?

No actually. I was thinking more along the lines of Tiffany Fallon
(2005 Playmate of the Year) or Laurie Wood (Miss March '89). Yowza!!

 

[Mr.Double-sided tape]

That look like Tom perhaps?<

You wish I was topless. Sorry pal I haven't flashed my tits since I
found the Lord.
I bet you didn't even know He was lost.

 

[mikey]

You wish I was topless. Sorry pal I haven't flashed my tits since I
found the Lord.
I bet you didn't even know He was lost.

I remember that. Tom wasn't used to the alcohol content of the real beer up
here yet and got a little carried away. The visual wasn't tooooo bad but
when he jumped up on the stage and hip-checked the stripper into the salad
bar, I got a little concerned. Off came the pants and then he started
gyrating and singing, "I'm not white, I'M PINK" and I knew it was trouble...
Good thing I have some buddies in Vice, it could have turned out much
differently.



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[Nick Markowitz]

hands on verified wiring and code skills.

Any idiot can read a book and pass a test I have never seen a hands on test
to prove what you know.
have them wire up a small system to nec and nfpa standards.

then you have a real test .

I see this shit all the time when some one tels me he is a liscensed
electricain etc, big deal my dog has a liscense
show me what you got.

 

[Michael Baker]

This has been a contentious issue, nationwide. I agree with you and it
seems that the best method is an apprenticeship program where 4 years
of OJT is augmented with 4 years of classroom training. Unfortunately,
states are the driving force here and they range from no requirements
(ie. California) to a 4-year apprenticeship (ie. Oregon).

One of the most eye-opening events in my life is when I ventured
outside of Oregon, in my post-Navy life and found a wide range of
requirements coast-to-coast. I had thought that all states required
anyone working on an electrical system to be a licensed electrician.
Au contrare mon frere!

In my humble opinion, and at this point in time, NICET offers the best
solution nationwide. Again I say, two qualifications should be the
rule locally: licensed electrician and (pick one) NICET certification
or factory trained and certified.

 

[Nick Markowitz]

That is the problem here in Pa any one can be a plumber,electricain builder,
etc etc no lscense no training requirements etc just put up your shingle
except for certain big cities and countys.

I know electricains and fire alarm installers who have never had one of
there installs ever inspected they just do what they feel like and the hell
with everyone.
and then you have ahj woh nerv inspect any thing just hand out occupancy
permits
Pa. is facing a major crisis even with ICC in place 80%
of the state has chozen to ignore icc and nfpa.

 

[Nomen Nescio]

Mike Baker said:

This has been a contentious issue, nationwide. I agree with you and it
seems that the best method is an apprenticeship program where 4 years
of OJT is augmented with 4 years of classroom training.

That's the IBEW model, apprenticeship with work experience and classroom
training. Unfortunately, the electricians figure that a week or two of
fire alarm training means they're qualified to do fire. By the way, are
electricians exempt from NICET certification requirements?

I'm not sure you could build a curriculum of four years just on fire
alarms, though, so your 4+4 plan might not be workable.

NICET is supposed to have work experience requirements as part of the
certification process. I gather you don't think this has been a success.


- badenov

 

[Michael Baker]

I was trained on the dark side in merit shops where the same 4 + 4
program is used as at IBEW. The journeyman winds up a well rounded
electrician (pun intended) with additional training in fire alarm,
cctv, access control, data/voice, amplified paging, FO, and so on.
These "electives" are covered in the 2nd and 3rd year. Each elective is
10 weeks long. By attending a couple of additional core-division
classes, journeymen wind up with an associates degree in industrial
technology.

I realize now that Oregon is the exception to the rule. The rule being
technicians not necessarily having the training, nor required to.
Because of state's autonomy, there is no straightforward solution to
this, except maybe to use the bully pulpit