Solar powered cement mixers

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Drew Cutter

Jan 1, 1970
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Could some one point me to a solar powered cement mixer ?
 
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ptaylor

Jan 1, 1970
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Gìmmìe Bobbie said:
Niagra Falls?
Solar powered? Humm.. I dunno..
Maybe you could,uhm, "adapt" a 12/24V washing machine/dryer or
something? (I assume they'd have a decent sized DC motor in there..)
I wouldn't try mixing a large load in it..
I know they make portable gas powered mixers..Dunno where to get
one,other than the local equipment rental place.
 
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Drew Cutter

Jan 1, 1970
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So far all i've seen is electric or gas.
Solar powered? Humm.. I dunno..
Maybe you could,uhm, "adapt" a 12/24V washing machine/dryer or
something? (I assume they'd have a decent sized DC motor in there..)
I wouldn't try mixing a large load in it..
I know they make portable gas powered mixers..Dunno where to get
one,other than the local equipment rental place.
 
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ptaylor

Jan 1, 1970
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Drew said:
So far all i've seen is electric or gas.

Got alot of batts/PV panels?
Get a large inverter,and use an electric one..?
 
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Drew Cutter

Jan 1, 1970
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How big is a larger inverter ? cost ?
Got alot of batts/PV panels?
Get a large inverter,and use an electric one..?
 
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Steve Spence

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't think a 1200 watt unit is going top handle the startup load of
that 1/4 hp motor. Put an amp meter on it (clampon is fine) lock the
rotor shaft, and see what it draws. A 2500 watt unit with 5000 watt
surge might handle it just fine. $269 at BJ's wholesale, if that motor
is happy on MSW. Our 1/2 hp water pump works ok on this inverter.

Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org

Contributing Editor
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Drew Cutter

Jan 1, 1970
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Steve what is MSW ?

Steve said:
I don't think a 1200 watt unit is going top handle the startup load of
that 1/4 hp motor. Put an amp meter on it (clampon is fine) lock the
rotor shaft, and see what it draws. A 2500 watt unit with 5000 watt
surge might handle it just fine. $269 at BJ's wholesale, if that motor
is happy on MSW. Our 1/2 hp water pump works ok on this inverter.

Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org

Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
 
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Drew Cutter

Jan 1, 1970
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Question is it possible to set up a cement mixer that you don't have to
be tied to a cord (tied into the wind or solar for direct power )? Could
you some how put a deep cycle battery and an inverter on (Wheel barrow
style - cement mixer) , then plug the cord into the "inverter". -
Struggling with the lingo . newbie
 
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Steve Spence

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes. Lets say your 1/4 hp motor needs to run for 4 hours. 1hp = 746
watts, so 746 / 4 = 187 watts or so. Lets call it 250 for arguments
sake. 250 watts * 4 hours = 1000 watthours. Double that for a 50% DOD,
and add 50% for Mr. Peukert, and a 3000 watt hour battery pack might do
you. What is a 3000 wh pack, you ask? Well, batteries are actually sold
in amp hours (ah), so 3000wh's / 12vdc = 250ah, so 3 walmart type 27 115
ah batteries at $55 each, plus a BJ's Wholesale 2500 watt AC Delco
Inverter for $269 would put you in the ballpark.

Steve Spence
Dir., Green Trust
http://www.green-trust.org

Contributing Editor
http://www.off-grid.net
http://www.rebelwolf.com/essn.html
 
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Drew Cutter

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks . The next challenge is ebay. I know someone in Africa that use
wind power / solar for all his needs. 30 mph winds during the day and
60 at night. He's gotten the natives to switch from palm tree (mud) to
lime stone for new homes. Using cement for building new homes ,etc.
Though i would give him a hand in technology stuff to help his job a
little bit easier. Is their battery buyer guide for solar or
wind power ? I got to send the new battery dry to him . 5 year life span.
 
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Gìmmìe Bobbie

Jan 1, 1970
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Weight may be the cost factor.

Can lead acid be discharged...drained and sent successfully and then
refilled and charged at the other end or how would that be done?
 
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ptaylor

Jan 1, 1970
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Drew said:
How big is a larger inverter ? cost ?

Sorta depends on the power needs of the mixer,I'd assume they'd use a
fair amount of power (1/2HP motor? I dunno,never used one.)
So you'd need an inverter capable of whatever the mixer needs,plus some
more,for "reserves".The motor will draw a 'peak' when it first starts
spinning,and you don't want the inverter to switch off before it even
starts up!

Cost will depened on size,and wether it's sine/modified sine
(square,actually) wave. I'd think the motor would run okay on a
modified-sine(square) wave inverter,but a pure sine wave inverter might
be more efficient,and heat up the motor less...
I'm not sure of the specifics here,but I do know that sine wave
inverters cost more.

Then you'll need enough battery power to run the load of the mixer,for
however long you'll be mixing cement.
And hopefully you'll have enough solar(hydro/wind,etc) power to help out
during the day,and recharge the batteries inbetween mixing,etc.

I'm not sure of the nitty-gritty details and figures,but I'm sure one of
the more experienced guys could help you with that stuff.
I'm still fairly new to the solar/alternative energy thing also.



Another of my wacky ideas..
Are you after "solar" (ie; just sun-powered) or 'Photovoltaic' (electric
solar panels) ?
Perhaps you could setup a reflector to heat water,and devise a
steam-powered mixer?.. (something like a "sunflower" reflector/heater?)
Wonder if anyone makes anything like that. Hmm..
Like I said,another of my wacky ideas.. ;-)
 
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ptaylor

Jan 1, 1970
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Gìmmìe Bobbie said:
Weight may be the cost factor.

Can lead acid be discharged...drained and sent successfully and then
refilled and charged at the other end or how would that be done?

I think it can be done..
Can they get acid in Africa easily?
I wonder if you could talk to a manufacturer,and buy dry
batteries,perhaps that would be better than draining/refilling?
Hmm..you might have to charge them under a watchful-eye to "form" the
plates (oxides) after you fill them,but that shouldn't be too hard..
(I think they usually do that at the factory,after the fill them.)
I dunno.
 
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Drew Cutter

Jan 1, 1970
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My understanding is that acid is not hard to get.
I think it can be done..
Can they get acid in Africa easily?
I wonder if you could talk to a manufacturer,and buy dry
batteries,perhaps that would be better than draining/refilling?
Hmm..you might have to charge them under a watchful-eye to "form" the
plates (oxides) after you fill them,but that shouldn't be too hard..
(I think they usually do that at the factory,after the fill them.)
I dunno.
 
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Gìmmìe Bobbie

Jan 1, 1970
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A 1/4 hp induction motor draws upward to 35A when starting. (measured and
oscilligraphed)
 
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Gìmmìe Bobbie

Jan 1, 1970
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Find a dealer and get some "smoke" while your at it.
 
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