Used DVM for SPL (Sound Level) Meter

Hi all, I have a nice DVM that has recording and PC interface and I
would like to use it for a sound pressure level meter. I would not
mind buying something that does this, but all I can find are complete
units. Anysuggestion on how I can do this myself without getting into
"yet another project"?

thanks
chuk
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi all,

I have a nice DVM that has recording and PC interface and I
would like to use it for a sound pressure level meter. I would not
mind buying something that does this, but all I can find are complete
units. Anysuggestion on how I can do this myself without getting into
"yet another project"?


** I gather you want to measure and log SPL readings over some period of
time - right ?

A great deal depends on what range of SPLs you need to be able to read and
over what frequency range.

DMMs are not sensitive to the tiny signals levels that typical mics deliver
or to the highest frequencies in the audio band.

More info on what you REALLY require will permit others to give good
advice on cheap and simple solutions.




......... Phil
 
I am confused, what more do you need?

I want to measure Sound Level. RS makes a meter that I can buy for
$50. I already own a nice DVM. So why spend the $50? Is there anyway
I can turn a DVM into a SPL Meter?
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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I am confused, what more do you need?

I want to measure Sound Level. RS makes a meter that I can buy for
$50. I already own a nice DVM. So why spend the $50? Is there anyway
I can turn a DVM into a SPL Meter?


** Go buy the damn RS one.

Since you are not interested in " yet another project ".



........ Phil
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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I am confused, what more do you need?

I want to measure Sound Level. RS makes a meter that I can buy for
$50. I already own a nice DVM. So why spend the $50? Is there anyway
I can turn a DVM into a SPL Meter ?

No.

Graham
 
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Bob Masta

Jan 1, 1970
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I am confused, what more do you need?

I want to measure Sound Level. RS makes a meter that I can buy for
$50. I already own a nice DVM. So why spend the $50? Is there anyway
I can turn a DVM into a SPL Meter?

Sure, just add a calibrated mic, mic preamp, A, B, and C weighting
curve filters, a precision rectifier or true RMS circuit, a smoothing
filter with adjustable time constants, and a log converter and
*presto*, an SPL meter!

Best regards,


Bob Masta

D A Q A R T A
Data AcQuisition And Real-Time Analysis
www.daqarta.com
Scope, Spectrum, Spectrogram, Signal Generator
Science with your sound card!
 
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Chris

Jan 1, 1970
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Hmmm, we'll I guess this is no effin good. What did you guys even
get out of grade 8 electronics? Stupid Americans

Chuck, you actually got a good set of responses from Phil, Graham and
Bob (and I don't believe they're all from the US, either). It might
have been a little brusque, but these guys are all very capable. The
way you describe your requirement (i.e. not another project), it can't
be done. Mr. Masta described exactly what you'd need to include in
your project.

Possibly if you learn a little more about SPL measurements, you'll
understand why it's more complicated than just cobbling together an op
amp or two:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_pressure_level

The Radio Shack Sound Level Meter (Catalog #: 33-2055, $49.99) is
actually a pretty good deal for what you get. If you don't need
automatic datalogging, I'd suggest you go that route. And if you do
finally decide to cobble something like Mr. Masta's suggestion
together, you could do worse than borrowing an RS meter to calibrate
your project. Output readings on the one I got for a factory job
several years ago compared pretty favorably above 75dB (A weighting)
with an instrument costing about twenty times that much.

If you do need datalogging, I guess you might want to rent or borrow
one of those SPL meters costing twenty times more which have a DC
voltage output proportional to reading, and just log that with your RS
datalogging DMM.

Cheers
Chris
 
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Michael Black

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
Sure, just add a calibrated mic, mic preamp, A, B, and C weighting
curve filters, a precision rectifier or true RMS circuit, a smoothing
filter with adjustable time constants, and a log converter and
*presto*, an SPL meter!
But then won't you end up with a bulkier package than the storebought
sound level meter?

And then won't it cost a fair percentage of the storebought sound level
meter to get the parts for building it, especially for someone who doesn't
have much of a background in electronics?

The problem with people who "know something can't be difficult" is
that they often don't know what's involved, so they think it should
be really easy to turn a DMM into a sound level meter.

Michael
 
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Bob Masta

Jan 1, 1970
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But then won't you end up with a bulkier package than the storebought
sound level meter?

And then won't it cost a fair percentage of the storebought sound level
meter to get the parts for building it, especially for someone who doesn't
have much of a background in electronics?
The problem with people who "know something can't be difficult" is
that they often don't know what's involved, so they think it should
be really easy to turn a DMM into a sound level meter.

Ahh, my comments were all with tongue firmly planted in cheek! <g>
I assumed he didn't know how difficult it was, and was trying
to show that it was not at all simple.

To the OP: If your goal is to own a nice portable SPL meter,
the RS unit is a good deal, whether you get the digital model
or the older analog one (if it's still offered).

If you just need SPL measurements, my Daqarta package
allows you to calibrate your sound card to do that. However,
as you might imagine, you have to have a calibrated mic.
Just getting one of these will cost more than the RS meter.

So far, I've never found any good way to calibrate a mic
other than by comparing to a known reference mic,
or using a reference sound source. (There are some
theoretical-but-impractical methods that work with
certain kinds of mics, that don't require a reference.)

Best regards,


Bob Masta

D A Q A R T A
Data AcQuisition And Real-Time Analysis
www.daqarta.com
Scope, Spectrum, Spectrogram, Signal Generator
Science with your sound card!
 
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ehsjr

Jan 1, 1970
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Hmmm, we'll I guess this is no effin good. What did you guys even
get out of grade 8 electronics? Stupid Americans

Your comment is uncalled for, and innacurate.
Neither Phil nor Graham are Americans, and neither are
stupid.

Ed
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi all, I have a nice DVM that has recording and PC interface and I
would like to use it for a sound pressure level meter. I would not
mind buying something that does this, but all I can find are complete
units. Anysuggestion on how I can do this myself without getting into
"yet another project"?

Sure. Get a calibrated mic, and measure its output voltage. You might
want an amp of some kind, if it's a low-output mic (which the really
classy ones usually are.)

Then again, you might find that a decent mic costs more than the sound
level meter - talk to the RS guy, and see if replacement parts are
available - it's just a mic and a vu meter. - oh, yeah; vu meters have
a log response.

Given that, you might want to use your PC interface and some S/W to give
you the log response, and calibrate the gain to read out directly in vu or
something.

Have Fun!
Rich
 
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