analog multiplier help

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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Here's a little table of the array's NPN transistor properties
to jog our memories, and a comparison to the newer parts.

NPN ca3046
spec ca3086 ca3083 ca3096 ca3127 hfa3127
---- ------ ------ ------ ------ -------
DIP? X X X X soic only
Vceo 15 15 35 15 8 V
IC-max 50 100 50 20 65 mA
beta 100 70 390 85 130
f_T 550 450 335 1100 8000 MHz
C_cb 0.58 - 2.25 0.2 0.6 pF (0.3 on die)
C_sub 2.8 - 3.0 1.3 -

Intersil also offers the hfa3134 and hfa3135, which are NPN
and PNP matched pairs with f_T = 8.5 and 7GHz.


NEC has some nice multi-GHz duals and arrays.

John
 
theJackal said:
Did he say he was building a scientific instrument ? No he did not.
So maybe you are talking about a subject completely new to both of
you.

It looks more likely that we are talking about a subject that is
compleletly new to you.
You don't seem to be aware of the fact that broadcast transmissions
cover 10 Mhz.

It is MHz, not Mhz, and I explicity mentioned long wave and medium wave
transmissions, where the mixer is traditionally set up to generate a
455kHz output, while FM goes for 10.7MHz.

Not really. The nice thing about generating a 455kHz or a 10.7MHz
intermediate frequency is that you can narrow-band filter it with an
elaboratre mutli-pole filter produced in enormous volume, because every
consumer radio incorporated at one of each, Spurs that fall outside the
bandwidth of this filter are effectively blocked.

The OP wants to generate a 5kHz output from his mixer, and he seems to
want to keep the harmonics 40dB down or lower. One would have thought
that a multipole 5kHz bandpass filter would deal with them, but maybe
he can't cope with the phase shifts through such a filter - I've had
that problem.
Did you read those articles? NO I guess because they mention use of
the MOS at lower frequencies.

No, I haven't read the articles, in part because I haven't got easy
access to the articles you cited, in part because I haven't had time,
and in part because I haven't yet had any real reason to take you
seriously. That you can find articles to cite moves you many notches up
the pecking order, but your log 1^6 /log 12 x 4 blooper moves you right
back down again.
 
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theJackal

Jan 1, 1970
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The OP wants to generate a 5kHz output from his mixer, and he seems to
want to keep the harmonics 40dB down or lower. One would have thought
that a multipole 5kHz bandpass filter would deal with them, but maybe
he can't cope with the phase shifts through such a filter - I've had
that problem.


No, I haven't read the articles, in part because I haven't got easy
access to the articles you cited, in part because I haven't had time,
and in part because I haven't yet had any real reason to take you
seriously. That you can find articles to cite moves you many notches up
the pecking order, but your log 1^6 /log 12 x 4 blooper moves you right
back down again.


Bill ...You talk a lot , but I prefer more proof . Maybe some people like that but I
don't find that at all convincing. But most of all you're missing the point of what
I'm saying ... and you're disproving well known facts and thus showing to be an arrogant
person.
Let me take 1 example... above you claim that the output of the mixture has to be 5kHz
according to the Op. ... Absolutely wrong The Op said his IF filter is centered on that
frequency . The output of the mixer contains a mixture of the sums and differences of the
LO , signal and carrier frequencies. And i could go on but
I must admit though that compared to some people in this newsgroup who have posted to me
you show human traits that distinguish us from the lower beasts.

Did you notice the talkative parrot is always tied up in a cage while the the silent birds
fly freely.

"Go easy on the whisky"

theJackal
 
D

Don Bowey

Jan 1, 1970
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Bill ...You talk a lot , but I prefer more proof . Maybe some people like
that but I
don't find that at all convincing. But most of all you're missing the point
of what
I'm saying ... and you're disproving well known facts and thus showing to be
an arrogant
person.
Let me take 1 example... above you claim that the output of the mixture has to
be 5kHz
according to the Op. ... Absolutely wrong The Op said his IF filter is
centered on that
frequency . The output of the mixer contains a mixture of the sums and
differences of the
LO , signal and carrier frequencies. And i could go on but
I must admit though that compared to some people in this newsgroup who have
posted to me
you show human traits that distinguish us from the lower beasts.

Did you notice the talkative parrot is always tied up in a cage while the the
silent birds
fly freely.

"Go easy on the whisky"

theJackal

Jackal, did you notice that this board is electronics.design, not
electronics.basics?

You're an idiot. What you just spouted is so basic it is simply a given at
this discussion level for the topic.

Your ignorance is not especially important to anyone but you, but your
unforgivable dishonesty of distorting your "quote" of Bill's post in order
to make it fit your topic blog, is important and will upset many of this
board's regulars.

"go easy on the quick-draw posts"

Don
 
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theJackal

Jan 1, 1970
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Your ignorance is not especially important to anyone but you, but your
unforgivable dishonesty of distorting your "quote" of Bill's post in order
to make it fit your topic blog, is important and will upset many of this
board's regulars.

"go easy on the quick-draw posts"

Don
LOL
Don you were already on my idiot list so you didn't have to waste your time posting


"Go easy on the whisky"

theJackal
 
Let me take 1 example... above you claim that the output of the mixture has to be 5kHz
according to the Op. ... Absolutely wrong The Op said his IF filter is centered on that
frequency . The output of the mixer contains a mixture of the sums and differences of the
LO , signal and carrier frequencies.

These are the "spurs" I was talking about. By multiplying clean sine
waves with a good analog multiplier, you can minimise most of the
irrelevant sum and difference products - obviously you are stuck with
the up-to-20MHz sum associated with the 5kHz difference.
And i could go on but

You do go on.
I must admit though that compared to some people in this newsgroup who have posted to me
you show human traits that distinguish us from the lower beasts.

Whereas I'm afraid I've got to consign you to the lower beasts.
 
W

Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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theJackal wrote...
Don you were already on my idiot list so you didn't have
to waste your time posting

I think most of us are on your idiot list, so one wonders
what list you're on.
 
T

theJackal

Jan 1, 1970
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BTW
"Go easy on the whisky"

theJackal






Any posts containing "John Fields" are automatically deleted by my system
 
T

theJackal

Jan 1, 1970
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theJackal wrote...

I think most of us are on your idiot list, so one wonders
what list you're on.


No thats absolutely not true.

The problem is you have a communion in this newsgroup who are a minority of hardcore
ignorant loiterers,blatant morons and parasites and it doesn't need a Junior school
certificate to understand who exactly these are.

All these people do is cause problems for the intellectually qualified and curious
community who want to engage in constructive engineering and scientific discussions in an
intermutual exchange media.

You seem to enjoy their company and support as is evident from your exoneration of such
elements.

I'm sure you have personal interests.

So keep up the good example whoever you are!




Holy Bible : 1 Corinthians 15:33 (The Jerusalem Bible) Bad friends ruin the noblest
people.


"Go easy on the whisky"

theJackal






Any posts containing "John Fields" are automatically deleted by my system
 
theJackal said:
On 23 Dec 2005 02:53:19 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

Snipped your hogwashed insane riduculousness

Since the Jackal doesn't seem to realise that he produces ridiculous
hogwash - despite the assiduous riducule we heap on him - I suppose
that it isn't surprising that he has doubts about the logical
consistency of my postings.

So it is back to plan B. I hope he hasn't taken to wearing a tin-foil
hat - it doesn't block the reprogamming field, but it reduces the
intensity in the critical sub-cortical areas of the brain and slows the
process down, which cuts into the time we can devote to Jim Thompson.
 
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