capacitors as batteries

donkey

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ok I have read in an electronics catalogue they use capacitors for backup memory in computers now. so my question is does anyone know what sort of storage capacity they have max?

I was thinking of going solar but lead acid batteries would be a small issue with me. the system i want is only 12v but computer backup usually uses 3v so i am concerned about 2 parts, how mauch voltage can be used, and how long they could last.
 

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Disadvantages
The amount of energy stored per unit weight is generally lower than that of an electrochemical battery (3–5 W·h/kg for a standard ultracapacitor, although 85 W.h/kg has been achieved in the lab[4] as of 2010 compared to 30–40 W·h/kg for a lead acid battery), 100-250 W·h/kg for a lithium-ion battery and about 1/1,000th the volumetric energy density of gasoline.
Has the highest dielectric absorption of any type of capacitor.
High self-discharge – the rate is considerably higher than that of an electrochemical battery.
Low maximum voltage – series connections are needed to obtain higher voltages, and voltage balancing may be required.
Unlike practical batteries, the voltage across any capacitor, including EDLCs, drops significantly as it discharges. Effective storage and recovery of energy requires complex electronic control and switching equipment, with consequent energy loss. A detailed paper on a multi-voltage 5.3 W EDLC power supply for medical equipment discusses design principles in detail. It uses a total of 55 F of capacitance, charges in about 150 seconds, and runs for about 60 seconds. The circuit uses switch-mode voltage regulators followed by linear regulators for clean and stable power, reducing efficiency to about 70%. The authors discuss the types of switching regulator available, buck, boost, and buck-boost, and conclude that for the widely varying voltage across an EDLC buck-boost is best, boost second-best, and buck unsuitable[12].
Very low internal resistance allows extremely rapid discharge when shorted, resulting in a spark hazard similar to any other capacitor of similar voltage and capacitance (generally much higher than electrochemical cells).

If anything, it will get complicated. ;)
 

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i hate complicated.... but its environmentally friendly....I am stuck... when i win the lottery I will hire you guys to come make it for me lol
 

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Hi,

Indeed high value caps have many disadvantages but they are not submitted to (country dependent) recycling procedures or (air) transportation restrictions. A good compromise, if practical, can to use a cap and to make time adjustment with a Time Server or a GPS.

Olivier
 

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Capacitors also have the problem of terminal voltage being proportional to charge stored (compare with batteries which tend to have a more complex relationship where the voltage stays more or less constant until final discharge).

Here is an interesting paper which describes the issues and a practical solution.

It's less than trivial.

Capacitors can store charge efficiently (in that there can be very low losses) but the capacity per unit of volume or weight is not as high as for traditional batteries.
 

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The one advantage of capacitors over batteries is that the charge / discharge rate can be many times higher. If you could build an electric vehicle that runs on capacitors you could charge it in minutes as opposed to hours (with the right power equipment.)

bob
 

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One application in electric vehicles (and not just electric vehicles) is in regenerative braking circuits. You want to be able to absorb a lot of power as fast as possible (brakes are "stronger" than engines).

It is then handy to be able to dump it back out faster because that assists your acceleration. (or you may decide to allow it to flow more slowly into your batteries which prefer a slower charge/discharge current.

On a related note, I used to work on a mining site which had large diesel/electric haul trucks. they had 2 braking systems, dynamic and normal. The normal brakes were essentially disc brakes. The dynamic brakes were regenerative braking which dumped the power into a huge (and I mean HUGE) resistor bank. The problem when going down hills loaded was that you could overheat (and start fires in) the dynamic braking system, and the regular brakes were not really good enough to stop the vehicle on their own. Consequently there were very few haul routes which required loaded trucks to go down a slope (the primary crushers were near the top of the mine).

I wonder if capacitor based regenerative braking will ever make an appearance in vehicles of this size?
 
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