Cell Phone Jammers are Illegal in USA

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(PeteCresswell)

Jan 1, 1970
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Per G. Morgan:
Sure, it's a minor inconvenience now. In the not to distant future though,
left unchecked; these random 'checks' could become much more than just an
inconvenience. That's why I feel so strongly about this.

That's the rub with me too.

My belief: left unchecked law enforcement will abuse to the max
whatever powers are given them.

Did anybody see the news footage some years back of the (Denver?)
police using eyedroppers to place liquid tear gas in the eyes of
peaceful protesters who were kneeling and offering no resistance?

Need some overtime? How about a few road blocks?
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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(PeteCresswell) said:
Per G. Morgan:

That's the rub with me too.

My belief: left unchecked law enforcement will abuse to the max
whatever powers are given them.

Exactly, that has been shown to be true again and again. Plus, once they have
the power they never give it up.
Did anybody see the news footage some years back of the (Denver?)
police using eyedroppers to place liquid tear gas in the eyes of
peaceful protesters who were kneeling and offering no resistance?

Yes! It was despicable. You can spend hours on YouTube searching the
keywords "police brutality".
Need some overtime? How about a few road blocks?

It's like fishing in a way. Let's go throw out a roadblock and see what we
get.
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
There's another side to that argument, Jim. I think the famous Franklin
saying goes, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." I cherish my privacy
enough to resent like hell the idea that Bush ordered his minions to listen to
my phone conversations and those of millions of other US citizens. Before we
defend this as a measure to protect America,


HELLO... Thank you. That's what I've been saying, in fact I posted that
quote in this thread. Since Jim is obviously ignoring me, I wish you would
engage me further about what is an acceptable level of government intrusion
for our "protection". Jim is one of those sheep that believes the government
knows best when it comes to controlling the population. Of course, you'll be
able to spot him behind the concentration camp constantine wire... he'll be
the one yelling obscenities and shaking his cane wildly.
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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G. Morgan said:
Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management
Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil
defense planning and funding.

ker-snip

FEMA couldn't even manage a fleet of trailers after Katrina.

js
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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alarman said:
ker-snip

FEMA couldn't even manage a fleet of trailers after Katrina.


Exactly, that's because disaster relief is not a priority. I read only 6% of
the their budget goes toward it.
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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G. Morgan said:
Exactly, that's because disaster relief is not a priority.

No, it is because the agency is bloated and incompetent. That has not
changed.
 
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mleuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency
that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning
and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about6
percent of its budget on national emergencies. The bulk of their funding has
been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure
continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the
principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the
government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens
and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant
the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National
Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air
space and all ports of entry. Here are just a few Executive Orders associated
with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These
Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted
by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of
transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the
communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power,
gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources
and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work
brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education
and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national
registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and
aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate
communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be
abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland
waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency
Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in
times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce
the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to
establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate
penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal
departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued
over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to
develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and
distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money
in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also
provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress
cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management
Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation.

General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a
1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection
of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and
military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as preventionof
dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in
times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to
incorporate: The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic
relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic
activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and
production facilities; The 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the
President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy; The Act of August
29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take
possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or
any other purpose related to the emergency; and The International Emergency
Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property ofa
foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a
sweeping consolidation in 1979.

Stolen from:http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fema_executive_orders.htm

They're coming to take me away oh no, they're coming to take me away
my my to the happy place where life is beautiful......
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Jim may be a number of things but it's clear he's no sheep. It seems he
thinks it's better to give up a little freedom in favor of security. I
disagree -- believing that those who would take our freedom for any reason
have no interest in our security -- only their own power.

Good, that is what I believe too. The right always "say" they are for less
government (even calling themselves the de facto Libertarian party), but it
always seems to me the right wants to be involved in every aspect of or lives.

That's concertina wire, Graham. Constantine was an emperor.

LOL.. You're right. I'm not the first one to screw that up apparently. :)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concertina_wire
Concertina wire is sometimes mistakenly called constantine wire. "Constantine"
probably came from a corruption/misunderstanding of "Concertina" and led to
confusion with the Roman Emperor Constantine. This in turn has led to some
people trying to differentiate between concertina wire and "constantine" wire
by incorrectly assigning the latter term to what is commonly known as razor
wire. In contrast to the double-helical construction of concertina wire, as
shown being deployed by soldiers in the image, razor wire, or less correctly
"constantine wire", consists of a single coil of wire with projecting teeth
periodically along its length.[1]
 
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G. Morgan

Jan 1, 1970
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mleuck said:
They're coming to take me away oh no, they're coming to take me away
my my to the happy place where life is beautiful......

I'll just have to live with the satisfaction of having the last laugh. I
won't be able to rub it in on the NG because the internets will be all gone.
 
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mleuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Good, that is what I believe too.  The right always "say" they are for less
government (even calling themselves the de facto Libertarian party), but it
always seems to me the right wants to be involved in every aspect of or lives.

You mean like firing car company executives? Telling hedge funds what
to do? Regulating pay? Pushing government-run healthcare? Regulating
trans-fat?

Yea the right did that kinda stuff didn't they?
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Jan 1, 1970
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Per G. Morgan:
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows...

All those executive orders and they *still* couldn't get help
into New Orleans in a timely fashion for fear of stepping on the
state gov's toes???

It boggles the mind.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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(PeteCresswell) said:
Per G. Morgan:

All those executive orders and they *still* couldn't get help
into New Orleans in a timely fashion for fear of stepping on the
state gov's toes???

It boggles the mind.


FEMA "Executive Orders" are dispensed on toilet paper rolls.
 
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Steve

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L Bass said:
While G W Bush was in charge they couldn't manage a fleet enema.
The problems with FEMA have been there since its inception. It would have
performed just as poorly under Gore or Kerry as it did under Bush II.
 
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mleuck

Jan 1, 1970
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I'll just have to live with the satisfaction of having the last laugh.  I
won't be able to rub it in on the NG because the internets will be all gone.

The Internets are a permanent series of tubes so they can't go down
and I should think you'd be one of the first targets now that you've
exposed them
 
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mleuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Per G. Morgan:


All those executive orders and they *still* couldn't get help
into New Orleans in a timely fashion for fear of stepping on the
state gov's toes???

It boggles the mind.

It would have been illegal otherwise
 
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mleuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Since Bush stole the election we'll never know that.

Sounds like someone has been listening to too much Rachael Maddow,
either that or Alex Jones
 
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