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[Michael A. Terrell]

Your troops, not my troops, that is the issue at hand. If you had put:
"only applicable to US readers" or something like that at the top of your
post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the assumption that
it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.

Well, if the airlines in Canada don't think enough of your soldiers
to make the same offer, its not the fault of anyone in the US. Call the
cheap bastards who run your airlines and demand they do the same.
--
8 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Southern]

Your troops, not my troops, that is the issue at hand. If you had put:
"only applicable to US readers" or something like that at the top of your
post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the assumption that
it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.

Damn inconsiderate of you Jim not to take into account those individuals who
might read this with ultra thin skins, easily bruised egos, and pedantic
pretensions

 

[A Soberon]

Mommy!. They're posting stuff I don't wanna

hear again.

Do you hear posts? Some amazing piece of software you must have!

Antonio

ps: By the way ... PLONK (I don't want to READ you again)

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Michael A. Terrell wrote...

So what? Bah, humbug.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

I thought better of you, Win.

Yes, I'm a Christian, and I do observe Christmas. Its also a sad time
of the year, as well. My mother suffered though Chemotherapy and
radiation treatments for a year, then died of Colon Rectal cancer a week
before her birthday, and two weeks before Christmas. I am not in the
mood for any big celebration, parties or even decorations. I nearly lost
my dad last year, so I simply remember what Christmas is about, and
leave it at that.
--
8 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Jim Thompson]

Damn inconsiderate of you Jim not to take into account those individuals who
might read this with ultra thin skins, easily bruised egos, and pedantic
pretensions

ROTFLMAO! (You missed "impotent"

...Jim Thompson

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

-40F just means wintertime to folks in Rhinelander, Wisconsin USA.
They carry on just fine.

-Chuck

Did you sleep outside in that weather? Take survival training? Also,
-40 was the warmest it was during the winter. If you take the time to
look at a map of Alaska and find Delta Junction (which was right at the
gates of Ft Greely) you will see that is is at the bottom of mountain
ranges where they very cold, dry air rolled down and kept the place very
cold. the site was picked because of the severe weather. It was the
coldest spot available without going to Antarctica.

Your skin would be gray, and the muscles so stiff they felt solid. I
worked at the radio and TV station on the old section of the base. On
cold days, the control room was barely 40 degrees, and you had to work
in arctic rated clothing. We were not allowed to report the temperature
when it dropped below -40. The military felt it would cause
psychological damage to tell everyone how cold it really was. All we
could do was remind them to be prepared. You were not allowed on the
highway without spare tires, a full set of headlights, and 20 extra
gallons of gas in case you ended up snow bound.

Tell, me, can you toss a cup of steaming hot coffee in the air in
Rhinelander and have all the coffee evaporate before the cup hits the
ground?

--
8 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

ROTFLMAO! (You missed "impotent"

...Jim Thompson

They think they is impotent!

--
8 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Robert L. Bass]

I was stating that I knew how the soldiers fell to be isolated due to

the inability to use their available leave time. Would you spend over
nine months pay for a week away form severe duty? Have you ever worked
where you can freeze to death in less than five minutes? How about zero
humidity that dried out your skin and left you with dry cracked skin,
and bloody sores? You had to use half a bottle of baby oil after every
shower to reduce the drying effects. Thirty seconds after it was
slathered on, your dry skin had adsorbed every bit of it.

"As he turned to go on, he spat speculatively. There was a sharp, explosive
crackle that startled him. He spat again. And again, in the air, before it
could fall to the snow, the spittle crackled. He knew that at fifty below
spittle crackled on the snow, but this spittle had crackled in the air.
Undoubtedly it was colder than fifty below -- how much colder he did not
know. But the temperature did not matter."
-- Jack London: "To Build a Fire"

Have you ever had to walk over mile at -40°F...

Yep. I've camped out in -42ºF temperature. I've also gone skiing in -32ºF
with 35 mph winds (wind chill about -100ºF). If you have the right gear and
know how to stay warm it's not all that bad. Was your experience a long
time ago; before modern cold weather gear existed?

 

[Steve Andrew]

Did you sleep outside in that weather? Take survival training?
Also,
-40 was the warmest it was during the winter. If you take the time to
look at a map of Alaska and find Delta Junction (which was right at
the gates of Ft Greely) you will see that is is at the bottom of
mountain ranges where they very cold, dry air rolled down and kept
the place very cold. the site was picked because of the severe
weather. It was the coldest spot available without going to
Antarctica.

Your skin would be gray, and the muscles so stiff they felt solid.
I worked at the radio and TV station on the old section of the base.
On cold days, the control room was barely 40 degrees, and you had to
work in arctic rated clothing. We were not allowed to report the
temperature when it dropped below -40. The military felt it would
cause psychological damage to tell everyone how cold it really was.
All we could do was remind them to be prepared. You were not allowed
on the highway without spare tires, a full set of headlights, and 20
extra gallons of gas in case you ended up snow bound.

Tell, me, can you toss a cup of steaming hot coffee in the air in
Rhinelander and have all the coffee evaporate before the cup hits the
ground?

Try living in Scandinavia Michael, regular temperatures down to -40C
(Around -40F as it happens)

BTW - You must have really screwed up, or pissed somebody off to get a
posting like that - What happened

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Try living in Scandinavia Michael, regular temperatures down to -40C
(Around -40F as it happens)

BTW - You must have really screwed up, or pissed somebody off to get a
posting like that - What happened

I turned down a civil service job at Ft Rucker, Alabama. One of the
civilians was retiring, and I was offered his job. That left three other
civilians. Two nice guys, but I couldn't stand the third. He always
managed to slip away and leave the work for everyone else. He was too
good to wear work clothes, so he would arrive at work in a suit, knowing
he was supposed to crawl under a building to pull wire that day. I spent
most of a year doing his work while he took the credit, and I wasn't
going to keep it up. If it wasn't for him, I could have taken an early
retirement in 1997. I knew that his constant bullshit would have lead to
a fight, sooner or later, so i left to finish my tour of duty, then went
home to start a business.

Believe it or not, but the other open slot was worse. It was a couple
miles for the front line in Vietnam. The station there was over run by
the enemy, and a lot of the staff was killed. They sent parts of the
Gates VHF TV transmitter to us in Alaska for salvage, since it was the
same model.
--
8 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"As he turned to go on, he spat speculatively. There was a sharp, explosive
crackle that startled him. He spat again. And again, in the air, before it
could fall to the snow, the spittle crackled. He knew that at fifty below
spittle crackled on the snow, but this spittle had crackled in the air.
Undoubtedly it was colder than fifty below -- how much colder he did not
know. But the temperature did not matter."
-- Jack London: "To Build a Fire"


Yep. I've camped out in -42ºF temperature. I've also gone skiing in -32ºF
with 35 mph winds (wind chill about -100ºF). If you have the right gear and
know how to stay warm it's not all that bad. Was your experience a long
time ago; before modern cold weather gear existed?

1973/1974. The cold weather gear was korean war vintage. the cold
weather parkas had real wolves fur around the hood, with a flexible wire
so you could squeeze it almost shut so only your eyes and nose were
exposed to the cold, dry air. The arctic boots had a air valve to
pressurize them, and the pair weighed about 20 pounds. You had to wear
four layers of clothes, and they were so thick that your movements were
very limited.

BTW, do you know how to cut down a frozen tree for firewood? ;-)
--
8 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

1973/1974. The cold weather gear was korean war vintage. the cold
weather parkas had real wolves fur around the hood, with a flexible wire
so you could squeeze it almost shut so only your eyes and nose were
exposed to the cold, dry air. The arctic boots had a air valve to
pressurize them, and the pair weighed about 20 pounds. You had to wear
four layers of clothes, and they were so thick that your movements were
very limited.

BTW, do you know how to cut down a frozen tree for firewood? ;-)

There's no problem that cannot be solved with a sufficient quantity of
explosives...

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Chuck Harris]

Hi Michael,

Nope, I can't do any of those things, I'm a southern boy. But
my dad lived there his entire childhood, and they walked to school,
drove their cars, fed their livestock, did their jobs, and lived
their lives on -40F days. Me personally, I can't handle anything
colder than -40C ;-)

-Chuck

 

[repatch]

Well, if the airlines in Canada don't think enough of your soldiers
to make the same offer, its not the fault of anyone in the US. Call the
cheap bastards who run your airlines and demand they do the same.

That's not the point, the point is the post, which was off topic to
begin with, wasn't even RELAVENT to some of us. I don't know why I have to
spell out something SO OBVIOUS.

 

[Bill Garber]

:
message
: : > > Your troops, not my troops, that is the issue at hand.
If you had
: put:
: > > "only applicable to US readers" or something like that at
the top of
: your
: > > post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the
assumption
: that
: > > it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.
: >
: > Well, if the airlines in Canada don't think enough of your
soldiers
: > to make the same offer, its not the fault of anyone in the
US. Call the
: > cheap bastards who run your airlines and demand they do the
same.
:
: That's not the point, the point is the post, which was off
topic to
: begin with, wasn't even RELAVENT to some of us. I don't know
why I have to
: spell out something SO OBVIOUS.

The point really is this: Not what you are
spelling out, but to whom. You first must
find someone who cares.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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[repatch]

:
message
: : > > Your troops, not my troops, that is the issue at hand.
If you had
: put:
: > > "only applicable to US readers" or something like that at
the top of
: your
: > > post (or in the subject) I wouldn't have minded. It was the
assumption
: that
: > > it applies to EVERYONE here that is the problem.
: >
: > Well, if the airlines in Canada don't think enough of your
soldiers
: > to make the same offer, its not the fault of anyone in the
US. Call the
: > cheap bastards who run your airlines and demand they do the
same.
:
: That's not the point, the point is the post, which was off
topic to
: begin with, wasn't even RELAVENT to some of us. I don't know
why I have to
: spell out something SO OBVIOUS.

The point really is this: Not what you are
spelling out, but to whom. You first must
find someone who cares.

I guess that's true, sad so many people here are so selfish.

 

[Robert L. Bass]

1973/1974. The cold weather gear was korean war

vintage. the cold weather parkas had real wolves fur
around the hood, with a flexible wire so you could
squeeze it almost shut so only your eyes and nose
were exposed to the cold, dry air. The arctic boots
had a air valve to pressurize them, and the pair
weighed about 20 pounds. You had to wear four layers
of clothes, and they were so thick that your movements
were very limited.

That's awful! There was far better arctic gear available in the civilian
sector by then. I had down filled bib warmups, a down vest and parka jacket
plus down mitts. The hood of my parka, like that of my mummy bag, had a
drawstring that left only my eyes and nose exposed. I wore glasses and a
long beard and mustache in those days. the only places that got frostbitten
were the tip of my nose and a little bit on my lips. I camped outdoors with
a ground pad, mummy bag and long johns on. The temperature dropped to -42ºF
that night and a number of people died in a nearby town. I was up in the
Rocky Mountains too far to hike from a friend's cabin. That's about the
only time I was actually afraid of the weather.

It sounds as though someone up the line in your unit had his military head
anatomically obscured from view. :^)

BTW, do you know how to cut down a frozen
tree for firewood? ;-)

I never tried (other than with a chainsaw) but I've split plenty of frozen
wood with an axe. It's actually easier splitting some woods when it's
really cold.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

That's awful! There was far better arctic gear available in the civilian
sector by then. I had down filled bib warmups, a down vest and parka jacket
plus down mitts. The hood of my parka, like that of my mummy bag, had a
drawstring that left only my eyes and nose exposed. I wore glasses and a
long beard and mustache in those days. the only places that got frostbitten
were the tip of my nose and a little bit on my lips. I camped outdoors with
a ground pad, mummy bag and long johns on. The temperature dropped to -42ºF
that night and a number of people died in a nearby town. I was up in the
Rocky Mountains too far to hike from a friend's cabin. That's about the
only time I was actually afraid of the weather.

It sounds as though someone up the line in your unit had his military head
anatomically obscured from view. :^)


I never tried (other than with a chainsaw) but I've split plenty of frozen
wood with an axe. It's actually easier splitting some woods when it's
really cold.

You didn't need an ax, or a chain saw. You picked a pine tree about 3
inches in diameter, turned your back to it and kicked as hard as you
could. It would snap off a few inches above the ground. then you threw
the whole tree into the fire. while someone else harvested another tree.
You could have a roaring fire, and not feel the heat ten feet away. It
only took about ten minutes for a roaring fire to burn itself out, so
you had to feed it a lot of wood to keep warm. Also, we only had an
arctic rated sleeping bag, a tent half, a folding shovel, and c-rations
that were older than I was. You draped the tent half over a branch,
covered the ends and back opening with snow, and hoped for a short
night. You had to take off the arctic boots and put them in the sleeping
bag between your legs so they wouldn't cause frostbite the next day.
--
8 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Philip A. Marshall]

You're a brain dead imbecile who lacks the analytical capability to find
the exit from a wet paper bag. It is impossible for you to originate a
thought so you repeat the latest drivel originating from the most evil
industrial block extant- that of France, Germany, and Russia, and their
world-wide propaganda campaign to impede the downfall of Saddam for
purely financial reasons. This mindless nonsense argument about going
after one despot while leaving others intact is akin to a defense
attorney claiming the government has no right to prosecute his client as
long as similar crimes go unpunished. So let that thieving Tyco sc_mbag
Kozlowski go for the $600M theft because certainly there are numerous
instances of CEOs misappropriating funds that go unprosecuted.

You forgot to bad-mouth canada.

 

[Robert L. Bass]

You didn't need an ax, or a chain saw. You picked

a pine tree about 3 inches in diameter, turned your
back to it and kicked as hard as you could. It would
snap off a few inches above the ground. then you threw
the whole tree into the fire...

OK, that's no surprise. Pine gets pretty brittle even at +10ºF.

while someone else harvested another tree. You could
have a roaring fire, and not feel the heat ten feet away.
It only took about ten minutes for a roaring fire to burn
itself out, so you had to feed it a lot of wood to keep
warm.

Hmm. Why would fire consume fuel faster at a lower ambient temperature?

Also, we only had an arctic rated sleeping bag, a tent
half, a folding shovel, and c-rations that were older
than I was.

That sounds about right for the military. :^)

You draped the tent half over a branch, covered the
ends and back opening with snow, and hoped for a
short night. You had to take off the arctic boots and
put them in the sleeping bag between your legs so
they wouldn't cause frostbite the next day.

I had to do the same thing with my hiking boots. Otherwise the moisture in
them from sweat would freeze solid. One trick I learned about extreme cold
is to keep your extremities warm. If your hands, feet and head are warm the
rest of you will be fine.