DTMF transceiver connection

dlkosmas1

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Does anyone know how to connect a dtmf transceiver to the telephone line?

 
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Alpha2

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Hi there,
connecting a DTMF device to an active phone line can be tricky. For starters, you've got arond 50 volts DC on the line when it's idle (phone is 'on hook') then you've got around 80 to 110 volts AC when the phone is ringing (interrupted) and around 5 to 12 volts when the phone is picked up 'off hook' to make or answer a call.

Many DTMF decoder chips (eg: the MC 145436P by Motorola) uses only 5 volts DC to power it up. So your device must have at least one low voltage DC supply independent of the phone line for it to work safely (no house fires from bodgy circuitry!) and reliably.

You can try connecting the DTMF chip via a 600 ohm/600 ohm transformer specially designed for phone line interfacing. One side of this transformer (known as the 'primary winding') will conect via 2 capacitors (around 0.22uf at 400 volts DC each - usually mains grade power filter caps set in epoxy, often called 'greencaps' or by the more modern named 'MKT' version).

The other side of the transformer winding (known as the secondary winding) an be connected to the input of the DTMF chip via a smaller capacitor (a 0.1uF/100 volt will do) and your circuit ground connection. It is also advisable to position 2 'back to back' diodes across the secondary, to combat the possibility of high voltage ring signals from damaging your DTMF decoder chip. There are a number of similar interface circuits around the Net, so have a good look. Epanorama is a good place to begin your search.

Austin Hellier
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dlkosmas1

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The connection you mention worked for a dtmf Decoder(Receiver) but not for a Tansceiver.Dont know the reason yet,but as far as i have searched i saw that you need to connect it to the phone line through a DAA chip which is FCC aproved( Data Access Arangement).
Any ideas?

 

dlkosmas1

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In a word,DTMF are those musical tones you hear when you are dialing a telephone number.Every DTMF signal is a mixture of two tones with different frequencies(one HIGH and one LOW freq.).With a DTMF transceiver you can decode( DTMF to binary) DTMF signals and encode(Generate).Thus,connecting it to a telephone line wil enable you to dial a number.More information you can find,well,in Google :)

 

Staigen1

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I know what DTMF is, i have known it for about 30 years now, what i was curious about was what a TRANCIEVER is used to

//Staigen

 

dlkosmas1

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It is a Transmiter-Receiver and it is Transceiver, not transciever.

 

Staigen1

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Ok, i am not so good at the english language, but you did not answer the question! And its transmitter, not transmiter

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dlkosmas1

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Well,a Transceiver can transmit DTMF tones and receive,as well.
You enter the number in a binary form and you get the DTMF tone in the output.Also,if you use it for receiving DTMF tones,you get the binary form of the number that you,or someone else send through the telephone.It has registers that control its functions and you need a MCU to control it.

 

Staigen1

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Ok, BTW, you can connect the transformer directly to the phone line via a relay or something, thats the way modems are connected.

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Alpha2

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Have a look on the Net for the MT 8870A DTMF Transceiver by Mitel Corp. Look for a data and applications info sheet, this whould help yo a lot.

Alpha

 

dlkosmas1

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That's the one i have.unfortunately the datasheets and application notes dont provide information for connecting it to the telephone line.

 

Alpha2

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Just use it the way I've described it to you up above in the first response to your question. I can't see why the transformer coupling won't work, whether it's the MT 8870 or the MC 45436 chip, or it's a transceiver (both ways) device. You may have to identify a pin on the chip which alternates between transmit and receive, in order to enable both functions (eg: this pin may have to be taken high to +5 volts for the chip to transmit, and then be taken low to 0 volts - for it to receive - something like that.) Look on the data sheet for an 'enable' pin (sometimes called the CE or chip enable pin.)

Alpha

 

rob2

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wow all this DTMF stuff sounds cool.

DAM IT dont side track me from another project !

+"I before E eccept after C" hehe ;)

 

Tsilipe

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I have a question how can i create DTMF tones with a MCU like 90S4433 or any other of the Atmel family, and how can i receive with a MCU with out any other component directly from the MCU with only a typical parts for the corect working of the device.

 

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Bascom AVR compiler has the dtmf output built in and also the A to D in your other post. The compiler is free to code up to 2K of the memory. You can download it from www.mcselec.com

MP

 

h_urain

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Does anyone use CM8880 to dial through phone line ? Can you help me ???? If you can, please post your circuit at least the part you connect CM8880 to telephone line ? thanks

 

MP1

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It is my understanding that this device is used to decode DTMF you "receive" so that it is usable. "Sending" DTMF is just a matter of sending tones. You would do this with a tone generator type of circuit.

MP

 

h_urain

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I don't think so. As fact, CM8880 is a DTMF transceiver, not like 8870 just decode DTMF. I don't know whether I should connect CM8880 to telephone line directly

 
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