how does a voltage regulator work?

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John O'Flaherty

Jan 1, 1970
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I was browsing the web, and found this:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/digital-electronics4.htm

"The 7805 takes in a voltage between 7 and 30 volts and regulates it
down to exactly 5 volts."

How does it do this?

I'm guessing that when it sees a higher input voltage, it increases the
current available on the output... is my guess correct?

Or does it just dump the excess energy as heat?

No, it uses a 'pass transistor' between input and output as a variable
resistor. The control for that transistor comes from a built-in
amplifier that senses the output voltage. When the output goes higher
than 5V, the transistor's effective resistance is increased, and vice
versa, to keep the output more or less exactly at 5V. By just looking
at the output voltage, regulation is provided for input voltage changes
and load current changes.
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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I was browsing the web, and found this:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/digital-electronics4.htm

"The 7805 takes in a voltage between 7 and 30 volts and regulates it
down to exactly 5 volts."

How does it do this?

I suggest you get a data sheet and look at the internal circuit ( it should be
on some )
I'm guessing that when it sees a higher input voltage, it increases the
current available on the output... is my guess correct?

No. In fact your premise has no sound basis.
Or does it just dump the excess energy as heat?

Yes.

Graham
 
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Bill Bowden

Jan 1, 1970
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I was browsing the web, and found this:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/digital-electronics4.htm

"The 7805 takes in a voltage between 7 and 30 volts and regulates it
down to exactly 5 volts."

How does it do this?

I'm guessing that when it sees a higher input voltage, it increases the
current available on the output... is my guess correct?

Or does it just dump the excess energy as heat?


The input just needs to be a little higher than the output, around 2 or
3 volts higher. The regulator will get hotter as the input increases
If you use a 30 volt input and the output load draws say 1 amp, the
regulator must drop the extra 25 volts with 1 amp passing through,
which equates to 25 watts of heat. So, in that mode without a heat sink
to cool it off, the regulator would burn up.It's much better to use a
lower voltage input to avoid the excessive heat.

-Bill
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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So it's not a variable DC-DC converter... ok.

*Converter* ? No.

You might understand better by examining a simple zener + emitter follower series
pass regulator first. A 78xx is effectively a super version of that.

Graham
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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I was browsing the web, and found this:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/digital-electronics4.htm

"The 7805 takes in a voltage between 7 and 30 volts and regulates it
down to exactly 5 volts."

How does it do this?

I'm guessing that when it sees a higher input voltage, it increases the
current available on the output... is my guess correct?

---
Yes.

Here's how it works:


12V 5V
/ /
Vin>-----[Rs]---+---Vreg
|
[Rl]
|
GND>------------+

Where Rl is the load resistance and Rs is the equivalent series
resistance of the regulator.

Let's say that Rl is 5 ohms and that the regulator is designed to
have an output voltage of 5 volts, like a 7805.

Let's also say that Vin is 12 volts.

Now, for Rl to have 5 across it Rs must drop 7V of the 12V supply
voltage and let 1 amp through, since that what the load wants:


E 5V
Il = --- = ---- = 1A
R 5R


That means that Rs must look like:


Vin - Vreg 12V - 5V
Rs = ------------ = ----------- = 7 ohms
Il 1A


and, since in a series circuit the current is everywhere the same,
the regulator will be dissipating:


P = (Vin - Vreg) * Il = 7V * 1A = 7 watts.


Now let's say that the supply voltage is 24V.

In order for the regulator to keep its output at 5V it must soak up
the difference between the supply and the output, which is 19V.

Such being the case, we now have:


24V 5V
/ /
Vin>-----[Rs]---+---Vreg
|
[Rl]
|
GND>------------+


and Rs must now look like:


Vin - Vreg 24V - 5V
Rs = ------------ = ----------- = 19 ohms
Il 1A

and the power it must dissipate (the energy it must dump as heat)
will be:


P = 17V * 1A = 17 watts


Similarly, as load current changes Rs must be varied in order to
keep Vreg constant.


Here's [very basically] what makes the regulator work:

Q1
Vin>-----+---C E-----------------+-----+---->Vout
| B | |
[R1] | [R2] [R4]
| | | |
+-----+ +--[R3]--+ |
| | | |
C | /+|--+ |
Q2 B--[R4]--+--< | |
E A1 \-|--------+
| |
| [REF]
| |
GND>-----------+-------------------------+---->GND

Q1 is the regulator's "pass transistor", and all of the load current
must pass through it. Initially it starts to conduct when current
flows into its base from R1. Q2 is initially turned off until
current starts to flow out of the emitter of Q1, at which time
current will start to flow into R2, R3, and the base of Q2, as well
as into R4 and the reference, and the load.

R2 and R3 are arranged so that When Vout = 5V the voltage on the +
input of A1 will be equal to the voltage on the - input, and for
that to happen A1 will turn on Q2 just enough to pull the base of Q1
just close enough to ground to keep its emitter at 5V.

So, you can see that if the supply voltage increases, the base of Q1
will be pulled more closely to ground and if the supply voltage
decreases, the base will be allowed to go more positive in order to
keep the emitter at 5V.

Similarly, if the load current changes, Qi's emitter voltage will
try to change, but A1 and Q2 will hold it in check and keep it at
5V.
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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24V 5V
/ /
Vin>-----[Rs]---+---Vreg
|
[Rl]
|
GND>------------+


and Rs must now look like:


Vin - Vreg 24V - 5V
Rs = ------------ = ----------- = 19 ohms
Il 1A

and the power it must dissipate (the energy it must dump as heat)
will be:


P = 17V * 1A = 17 watts
 
John said:
24V 5V
/ /
Vin>-----[Rs]---+---Vreg
|
[Rl]
|
GND>------------+


and Rs must now look like:


Vin - Vreg 24V - 5V
Rs = ------------ = ----------- = 19 ohms
Il 1A

and the power it must dissipate (the energy it must dump as heat)
will be:


P = 17V * 1A = 17 watts


Ok, a big Thank You to all who replied.

Michael
 
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Jamie

Jan 1, 1970
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I was browsing the web, and found this:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/digital-electronics4.htm

"The 7805 takes in a voltage between 7 and 30 volts and regulates it
down to exactly 5 volts."

How does it do this?

I'm guessing that when it sees a higher input voltage, it increases the
current available on the output... is my guess correct?

Or does it just dump the excess energy as heat?
in side there is a component know as a zener diode.
this diode is used as a voltage reference and is
selected to generate the desired voltage in the
end.
the output is compared with this voltage reference.
there is a transistor that is used as the control path
from the input of the raw voltages( unstable and much higher)
to the smooth and stable output voltages.
the base of this transistor controls the amount of
voltage that appears on the output.
attached to this base is the comparator components as
we stated before.
when output voltage is lower than reference voltage, more
drive control on the base of the transistor is given until the
reference and output match. if output is exceeding reference
voltage than the current amount of drive on the base is reduced
until output comes back into the window and then drive will balance
out to maintain the current load level.
excess voltage that appears on the input does not get drained off.
it just does not get used.
its like opening the water value on a tank of water, you can regulate
the amount of flow you need, the rest of the water just sits there.
when output is more than needed the valve is simply shut off until
output level comes back down to spec, this means the load on the circuit
generally uses the access of what is on the output.
there are some regulators that actually do have a shunt in the output
to help lower the voltage on the output by draining it to ground until
the output is reached! this how ever is normally limited in current..

hope i kept it simply as possible.
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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The input just needs to be a little higher than the output, around 2 or
3 volts higher. The regulator will get hotter as the input increases
If you use a 30 volt input and the output load draws say 1 amp, the
regulator must drop the extra 25 volts with 1 amp passing through,
which equates to 25 watts of heat. So, in that mode without a heat sink
to cool it off, the regulator would burn up.It's much better to use a
lower voltage input to avoid the excessive heat.

Well, tecnhically, the 780x series is supposed to go into thermal shutdown,
but I get the point. :)

Cheers!
Rich
 
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