Imagine: 500 Miles Per Gallon

[krw]

Yep. http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/item/4582.html

I calculated about 0.8 gallons of corn oil needed to bicycle 500 miles
at 15 mph. Cooling water not included. (I guess you *could* exhale
into a radiator-type condenser to recycle water, but that would just be
gross.)

Dune?

 

[Eeyore]

Now that's an interesting idea. Exam question: how many gallons of
corn oil are required to provide the equivalent calories needed to
bicycle 500 miles...?

That'll be a very strange diet !

Graham

 

[kell]

And they come in the form of a 2.5 ton SUV with electric
windows, aircondition and the lot ? If not they will be
hard to sell.

Rene

I have a big-arse GMC Suburban diesel that runs on waste vegetable oil.
I scored about 50 gallons of grease from one dinky little restaurant
in Rutland the other day... Of course, I have to filter it before
using. Just today I put a 55 gallon steel drum in the back of the
truck to hold oil for long trips. There's a smaller 13 gallon tank
with heating coils that carry engine coolant to heat the oil so it's
viscosity is similar to that of diesel fuel.

 

[Jim Thompson]

I have a big-arse GMC Suburban diesel that runs on waste vegetable oil.
I scored about 50 gallons of grease from one dinky little restaurant
in Rutland the other day... Of course, I have to filter it before
using. Just today I put a 55 gallon steel drum in the back of the
truck to hold oil for long trips. There's a smaller 13 gallon tank
with heating coils that carry engine coolant to heat the oil so it's
viscosity is similar to that of diesel fuel.

But don't you just love leftist weenie plans which defy the laws of
Physics ?

...Jim Thompson

 

[Phil Hobbs]

But don't you just love leftist weenie plans which defy the laws of
Physics ?

Bet his truck smells of Freedom Fries.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

 

[martin griffith]

Bet his truck smells of Freedom Fries.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

Its now french fries, again, been approved by somebody over there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5240572.stm

Did they call condoms freedom letters?


martin

 

[Rich, but drunk]

Carlesberg Special Brew 9.0

Prestige Vodka 40% ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

[snip]

I have a big-arse GMC Suburban diesel that runs on waste vegetable oil.
I scored about 50 gallons of grease from one dinky little restaurant
in Rutland the other day... Of course, I have to filter it before
using. Just today I put a 55 gallon steel drum in the back of the
truck to hold oil for long trips. There's a smaller 13 gallon tank
with heating coils that carry engine coolant to heat the oil so it's
viscosity is similar to that of diesel fuel.

Are you paying the appropriate rate of motor vehicle tax on that?

I just love the Peoples Republic of Washington. Not too long ago, they
pointed out that all of these hybrid vehicles were going to get such
good mileage that they wouldn't be paying 'enough' in taxes. So maybe we
need an additional tax on efficient vehicles.

 

[kell]

But don't you just love leftist weenie plans which defy the laws of
Physics ?

...Jim Thompson

You mean like the "Star Wars" SDI?

 

[kell]

Bet his truck smells of Freedom Fries.

As ol' JT would say,
BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!

 

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Imagine: 500 Miles Per Gallon
There have been many calls for programs to fund research. Beneath the
din lies a little-noticed reality-the solution is already with us

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http://groups.google.ca/group/electricvehicle
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Electric vehicles are much less efficient as the electricity is mostly
generated from fossile fuels.

By Fareed Zakaria
Newsweek
March 7 issue - The most important statement made last week came not
from Vladimir Putin or George W. Bush but from Ali Naimi, Saudi
Arabia's shrewd oil minister. Naimi predicted that crude prices would
stay between $40 and $50 throughout 2005. For the last two years OPEC's
official target price has been $25. Naimi's statement signals that
Saudi Arabia now believes that current high prices are not a momentary
thing. An Asian oil-industry executive told me that he expects oil to
hit $75 this decade.

$75 for a barrel is still very cheap.

We are actually very close to a solution to the petroleum problem.
Tomorrow, President Bush could make the following speech: "We are all
concerned that the industrialized world, and increasingly the
developing world, draw too much of their energy from one product,
petroleum, which comes disproportionately from one volatile region, the
Middle East. This dependence has significant political and
environmental dangers for all of us. But there is now a solution, one
that the United States will pursue actively.

"It is now possible to build cars that are powered by a combination of
electricity and alcohol-based fuels, with petroleum as only one element
among many. My administration is going to put in place a series of
policies that will ensure that in four years, the average new American
car will get 300 miles per gallon of petroleum. And I fully expect in
this period to see cars in the United States that get 500 miles per
gallon. This revolution in energy use will reduce dramatically our
dependence on foreign oil and achieve pathbreaking reductions in
carbon-dioxide emissions, far below the targets mentioned in the Kyoto
accords."

And where are you going to grow your food?

Ever since September 11, 2001, there have been many calls for Manhattan
Projects and Marshall Plans for research on energy efficiency and
alternate fuels. Beneath the din lies a little-noticed reality-the
solution is already with us. Over the last five years, technology has
matured in various fields, most importantly in semiconductors, to make
possible cars that are as convenient and cheap as current ones, except
that they run on a combination of electricity and fuel. Hybrid
technology is the answer to the petroleum problem.

Hybrids are only more efficient in town driving (or gridlocked
freeways).

You can already buy a hybrid car that runs on a battery and petroleum.
The next step is "plug-in" hybrids, with powerful batteries that are
recharged at night like laptops, cell phones and iPods.

Many (all?) counties use fuel taxes to pay for roads, using "tax free"
electricity would be a problem.

Ford, Honda and

Toyota already make simple hybrids. Daimler Chrysler is introducing a
plug-in version soon. In many states in the American Middle West you
can buy a car that can use any petroleum, or ethanol, or methanol-in
any combination. Ford, for example, makes a number of its models with
"flexible-fuel tanks." (Forty percent of Brazil's new cars have
flexible-fuel tanks.) Put all this technology together and you get the
car of the future, a plug-in hybrid with a flexible-fuel tank.
Here's the math (thanks to Gal Luft, a tireless-and
independent-advocate of energy security). The current crop of hybrid
cars get around 50 miles per gallon. Make it a plug-in and you can get
75 miles. Replace the conventional fuel tank with a flexible-fuel tank
that can run on a combination of 15 percent petroleum and 85 percent
ethanol or methanol, and you get between 400 and 500 miles per gallon
of gasoline. (You don't get 500 miles per gallon of fuel, but the
crucial task is to lessen the use of petroleum. And ethanol and
methanol are much cheaper than gasoline, so fuel costs would drop
dramatically.)

The only real way to lower your fuel costs is to drive less,you'll also
improve your health and general weelbieng at the same time.

If things are already moving, why does the government need to do
anything? Because this is not a pure free market. Large companies-in
the oil and automotive industry-have vested interests in not changing
much. There are transition costs-gas stations will need to be fitted
to pump methanol and ethanol (at a cost of $20,000 to $60,000 per
station). New technologies will empower new industries, few of which
have lobbies in Washington.

Your current government are all oilmen, why would they want to do
anything?

 

[Eeyore]

Electric vehicles are much less efficient as the electricity is mostly
generated from fossile fuels.

Interesting typo ! I'll go and look for some fissils.

Graham

 

[krw]

You mean like the "Star Wars" SDI?

How does SDI defy the laws of physics. Large engineering issues
sure, but no physics violated, at least I remember.

 

[t.hoehler]

Interesting typo ! I'll go and look for some fissils.

Graham

G. Gordon Liddy used to pronounce fossil with the 'ile' ending. Made me
laugh. And I was somewhat of a fan.
Regards,
Tom

 

[kell]

How does SDI defy the laws of physics. Large engineering issues
sure, but no physics violated, at least I remember.

It'll never work. Or is plain old common sense too drab? Laws of
physics, feh.

 

[krw]

It'll never work. Or is plain old common sense too drab? Laws of
physics, feh.

So, you're in a habit of lying. Gotcha.

 

[kell]

So, you're in a habit of lying. Gotcha.

Two cowboys are about to have the traditional shootout at high noon on
main street. One is wearing a black hat, the other is wearing a white
hat. The white hat thinks, "Okay, I'm wearing a white hat so I have to
let him shoot first. But I'll shoot his bullets out of the air. It
doesn't contradict any of the laws of physics, so it must be possible."
So they're standing there in the dust under the hot sun, the black hat
draws his gun first, and shoots the white hat dead.
Gotcha.

 

[Rich Grise]

Two cowboys are about to have the traditional shootout at high noon on
main street. One is wearing a black hat, the other is wearing a white
hat. The white hat thinks, "Okay, I'm wearing a white hat so I have to
let him shoot first. But I'll shoot his bullets out of the air. It
doesn't contradict any of the laws of physics, so it must be possible."
So they're standing there in the dust under the hot sun, the black hat
draws his gun first, and shoots the white hat dead.
Gotcha.

But if Black Hat launches an intercontinental ballistic missile, and
White Hat has an airborne laser,
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/abl.htm
then he can shoot down the missile while it's in boost phase.

In fact, I'm currently working on tooling for the components of the
ABL, and it's OK, even though I'm a pacifist, because it is the only
weapon ever devised so far that can _ONLY_ be used for defense. The
laser is useless below about 30,000 feet because of atmospheric
scatter.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Ken Smith]

But if Black Hat launches an intercontinental ballistic missile, and
White Hat has an airborne laser,
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/abl.htm
then he can shoot down the missile while it's in boost phase.

.... or maybe not. He has to put enough heat into a small area on the
rocket to damage it. This requires some darn good shooting. Doubly so if
the target is spinning, because you have to get it all into one punch.

[...]

In fact, I'm currently working on tooling for the components of the
ABL, and it's OK, even though I'm a pacifist, because it is the only
weapon ever devised so far that can _ONLY_ be used for defense. The
laser is useless below about 30,000 feet because of atmospheric
scatter.

It could be used to shoot down someone's aircraft, so it isn't perfectly a
defensive weapon.

 

[Keith]

Two cowboys are about to have the traditional shootout at high noon on
main street. One is wearing a black hat, the other is wearing a white
hat. The white hat thinks, "Okay, I'm wearing a white hat so I have to
let him shoot first. But I'll shoot his bullets out of the air. It
doesn't contradict any of the laws of physics, so it must be possible."
So they're standing there in the dust under the hot sun, the black hat
draws his gun first, and shoots the white hat dead.
Gotcha.

It works. gotcha.