need help igbts welder

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Ignoramus17661

Jan 1, 1970
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I HAVE THIS CIRCUIT
http://www3.telus.net/public/a5a26316/WelderPDFs_Pics/OUTPUT200A.pdf
AND I NEED TO KNOW IF I HAVE TO TAKE OUT OR ADD PARTS TO THIS TO USE
THE IGBTS THAT I HAVE MG200QSYS40
http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/toshiba/1673.pdf
THIS IS FOR A WELDER STICK TO TIG AND WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT CAPS TO
USE IN THE CIRCUIT

Well, you do not have to deal with paralleled igbts (unless you want
to go above 200A). I do not think that that person actually go to
having a working welder.

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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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i have 4 and only need to use two of them and they take 400amps for 1ms
note my welder gos to 225A and the one i got this from does weld with
it hears what he sad from his web site (Just for interest the devices
used in the Alpa test version of the unit were IRG4PC40F (600v 27amp,
these will handle 49 amps in pulsed mode ! 4 pieces were parralleled
for each section of the H bridge.
I later switched to a higher current device G30N60B3D which is good for
600v 60amp (220amp pulsed). Also used was an ultra fast switching diode
to protect the device junctions part number: MUR1540 (600v 15a) ) so
should i take out something or chang out something ???
 
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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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kidkv said:
i have 4 and only need to use two of them and they take 400amps for 1ms
note my welder gos to 225A and the one i got this from does weld with
it hears what he sad from his web site (Just for interest the devices
used in the Alpa test version of the unit were IRG4PC40F (600v 27amp,
these will handle 49 amps in pulsed mode ! 4 pieces were parralleled
for each section of the H bridge.
I later switched to a higher current device G30N60B3D which is good for
600v 60amp (220amp pulsed). Also used was an ultra fast switching diode
to protect the device junctions part number: MUR1540 (600v 15a) ) so
should i take out something or chang out something ???


witch capacitors would br best in it?????
 
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Ignoramus11754

Jan 1, 1970
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witch capacitors would br best in it?????

I would suggest Cornell Dubilier snubbing capacitors, like their
series 943.

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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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Ignoramus11754 said:
I would suggest Cornell Dubilier snubbing capacitors, like their
series 943.
ok, and what abouth the 470nf caps and the ones on the igbts ??
thears more of this circuit print it out its 20"x40" its big :)
 
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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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kidkv said:
ok, and what abouth the 470nf caps and the ones on the igbts ??
thears more of this circuit when i printed it out it its 20"x40" its big :)
 
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Ignoramus2833

Jan 1, 1970
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are those on IGBTs or on the IR2110 gate driver?

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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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Ignoramus2833 said:
are those on IGBTs or on the IR2110 gate driver?

IR2110 gate driver C18,17,19,20 are the 470nf and the 1nf caps on
the igbts
ok;-)
 
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Ignoramus27153

Jan 1, 1970
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IR2110 gate driver C18,17,19,20 are the 470nf and the 1nf caps on
the igbts
ok;-)

You need to read the IR2110 datasheet. I am surprised that you say
that caps across IGBTs are 1 nf. There is also an application note
explaining some issues if using IGBTs to make inverter welders.

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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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Ignoramus27153 said:
You need to read the IR2110 datasheet. I am surprised that you say
that caps across IGBTs are 1 nf. There is also an application note
explaining some issues if using IGBTs to make inverter welders.

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i did read the application notes and some more and they both say
something else,
and the caps are on the driver board for the igbts the one that are in
the circut that i am asking abouht are C1 to C16 in the circuit the
application notes say not to use them then one site says to use them
that why i need help on this as take them out or not???
the igbts are the same ones that you had on your first setup;-)) from
the same one on ebay
i know the caps C21,C22,C23,C24 are to stop voltage spikes from
takeing out the igbts
 
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Ignoramus27153

Jan 1, 1970
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i did read the application notes and some more and they both say
something else,
and the caps are on the driver board for the igbts the one that are in
the circut that i am asking abouht are C1 to C16 in the circuit the
application notes say not to use them then one site says to use them
that why i need help on this as take them out or not???
the igbts are the same ones that you had on your first setup;-)) from
the same one on ebay
i know the caps C21,C22,C23,C24 are to stop voltage spikes from
takeing out the igbts

I used different driver boards by Semikron. (also off ebay). These are
very good. They did all I wanted without messing around with
complicated schematic. All I had to build as an oscillator.

Application notes (can be found somewhere on my site) explain how to
calculate snubbing capacitor capacitance. You also need a brief period
when both sides of the bridge conduct.

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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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Ignoramus27153 said:
I used different driver boards by Semikron. (also off ebay). These are
very good. They did all I wanted without messing around with
complicated schematic. All I had to build as an oscillator.

Application notes (can be found somewhere on my site) explain how to
calculate snubbing capacitor capacitance. You also need a brief period
when both sides of the bridge conduct.
i have the notes from your site. i just dont get what the notes say
and this has a what new welders have " max current ,start current ,weld
frequency ,end current ,pulse frequency and gas on and off time
,duty cycle ...
the one that did it up used cmos, ttl chips.. first time doing
something with this many amps so you can see why i need the help i dont
whant to blow up the igbts
 
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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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kidkv said:
i have the notes from your site. i just dont get what the notes say
and this has a what new welders have " max current ,start current ,weld
frequency ,end current ,pulse frequency and gas on and off time
,duty cycle ...
the one that did it up used cmos, ttl chips.. first time doing
something with this many amps so you can see why i need the help i dont
whant to blow up the igbts
would it be safe to put them in to the circuit for now or should i take
out some stuff and should i use film caps on the driver board the data
sheet for the IR2110 on what type of cap should be used as to film or
ceramic cap for the 470nf=.47uf and the 1nf=.001uf
 
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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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i have the notes from your site. i just dont get what the notes say
and this has a what new welders have " max current ,start current
,weld
frequency ,end current ,pulse frequency and gas on and off time
,duty cycle ...
the one that did it up used cmos, ttl chips.. first time doing
something with this many amps so you can see why i need the help i
dont
whant to blow up the igbts
would it be safe to put them in to the circuit for now or should i
take
out some stuff and should i use film caps on the driver board the data
sheet for the IR2110 on what type of cap should be used as to film or
ceramic cap for the 470nf=.47uf and the 1nf=.001uf

would ac film suppression caps work for the out put to kill the spikes
????
and for the rest should i use polyester film caps i have been looking
at wima caps ????
 
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Ignoramus28229

Jan 1, 1970
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i have the notes from your site. i just dont get what the notes say
and this has a what new welders have " max current ,start current >
,weld frequency ,end current ,pulse frequency and gas on and off
time ,duty cycle ... the one that did it up used cmos, ttl
chips.. first time doing something with this many amps so you can
see why i need the help i > dont whant to blow up the igbts would
it be safe to put them in to the circuit for now or should i > take
out some stuff and should i use film caps on the driver board the
data sheet for the IR2110 on what type of cap should be used as to
film or ceramic cap for the 470nf=.47uf and the 1nf=.001uf

would ac film suppression caps work for the out put to kill the spikes
????
and for the rest should i use polyester film caps i have been looking
at wima caps ????

You have not stated many details about your project, and it is just
about time.

Are you trying to make a inverter welder? Are you redoing an existing
welder? What do you want to accomplish?

The first thing that I must say is that if you have the brains and
skills necessary to figure out how to make such a welder from scratch,
you would be better off buying a brand new Miller welder for several
thousands of $$ and using your skills to make money elsewhere. That
said, if you like to have fun inventing stuff, there is nothing wrong
with it.

So... You need to give some details of where you are and what are your
intentions.

I think that I would do this work in stages, not least because you
would be learning as you go, moving from one working prototype to the
next. Rather than assembling some contraption that surely would not
work, and then realizing that you forgot something at earlier stages
that cannot be easily corrected.

That's a computer programmer's approach.

The first stage would be to make a DC power source with no bells and
whistles. (that itself is a big task). Just a basic stick welder.

If you get here, it would already be a huge accomplishment and you
would be able to do a lot of real life welding with that.

If you get thus far, a sensible next step would be to make a high
frequency arc starter. (could be easier to just buy one, a respectable
choice)

Then, you can move on to make a basic TIG welder, with a two stage
pedal (one stage for gas control, another for turning on arc).

The last step, the inverter, is very independent from everything else
and can be done much later. And can be skipped altogether.

Really, most real life welding can be done without the inverter.

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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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kidkv said:
i have the notes from your site. i just dont get what the notes say
and this has a what new welders have " max current ,start current
,weld
frequency ,end current ,pulse frequency and gas on and off time
,duty cycle ...
the one that did it up used cmos, ttl chips.. first time doing
something with this many amps so you can see why i need the help i
dont
whant to blow up the igbts
would it be safe to put them in to the circuit for now or should i
take
out some stuff and should i use film caps on the driver board the data
sheet for the IR2110 on what type of cap should be used as to film or
ceramic cap for the 470nf=.47uf and the 1nf=.001uf

would ac film suppression caps work for the out put to kill the spikes
????
and for the rest should i use polyester film caps i have been looking
at wima caps ???? whats up?????????????????????????????????????????
 
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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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Ignoramus28229 said:
You have not stated many details about your project, and it is just
about time.

Are you trying to make a inverter welder? Are you redoing an existing
welder? What do you want to accomplish?

The first thing that I must say is that if you have the brains and
skills necessary to figure out how to make such a welder from scratch,
you would be better off buying a brand new Miller welder for several
thousands of $$ and using your skills to make money elsewhere. That
said, if you like to have fun inventing stuff, there is nothing wrong
with it.

So... You need to give some details of where you are and what are your
intentions.

I think that I would do this work in stages, not least because you
would be learning as you go, moving from one working prototype to the
next. Rather than assembling some contraption that surely would not
work, and then realizing that you forgot something at earlier stages
that cannot be easily corrected.

That's a computer programmer's approach.

The first stage would be to make a DC power source with no bells and
whistles. (that itself is a big task). Just a basic stick welder.

If you get here, it would already be a huge accomplishment and you
would be able to do a lot of real life welding with that.

If you get thus far, a sensible next step would be to make a high
frequency arc starter. (could be easier to just buy one, a respectable
choice)

Then, you can move on to make a basic TIG welder, with a two stage
pedal (one stage for gas control, another for turning on arc).

The last step, the inverter, is very independent from everything else
and can be done much later. And can be skipped altogether.

Really, most real life welding can be done without the inverter.

i
yes i am trying to make a inverter welder i have a stick welder and
have 4 diodes on it to get dc with 2 big cap, and did up a HF starter
for it and have a tig torch and have done some welding with it but the
HF starter will not work with the welder on ac and i have the igbts i
did up a foot pedal that turns on gas and the HF starter......
i need to get this done becoz 30amps will go throu sheet metal
and i like doing this
and hears the site that has the circuit for this
http://www3.telus.net/public/a5a26316/TIG_Welder.html
he has more work and can not get to emails a lot of the time and i did
email him and got some info but he does not have much time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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kidkv said:
yes i am trying to make a inverter welder i have a stick welder and
have 4 diodes on it to get dc with 2 big cap, and did up a HF starter
for it and have a tig torch and have done some welding with it but the
HF starter will not work with the welder on ac and i have the igbts i
did up a foot pedal that turns on gas and the HF starter......
i need to get this done becoz 30amps will go throu sheet metal
and i like doing this
and hears the site that has the circuit for this
http://www3.telus.net/public/a5a26316/TIG_Welder.html
he has more work and can not get to emails a lot of the time and i did
email him and got some info but he does not have much time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
forgot this i did have in mind to use the monolithic function generator
XR-2206 but i found that circuit and plan to use it and it will give me
what i need
 
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kidkv

Jan 1, 1970
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kidkv said:
forgot this i did have in mind to use the monolithic function generator
XR-2206 but i found that circuit and plan to use it and it will give me
what i need
plus it would cost 1.082.00$$ for a tig welder that would not weld
Aluminum
tig for aluminum would cost 1,338.00$$
cost so far
welder free
tig torch witch is water cooled 60.00
igbts 40.00
caps and neon transformer 15.00
4 diodes 400 amps 20.00
foot pelal made it
 
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