Overhead on memory sticks?

[Donald]

I don't like mail-in rebates at all. IMHO it's a stupid concept and I
generally do not buy if that's the form of rebate. But I guess they bank
on the hopes that some people will "forget". Plus maybe all the tourist
shoppers and not-so-legal aliens who don't have a US bank account and
cannot cash in those rebates.



Then I guess you'd be entitled to give it back.

After 8 years of WIN98SE on the books, there are still people who don't
know that Win95/Win98(FE) does not support USB ???

This is not news.

I can not feel sorry for your loss, WIN98SE is so easy to get off the
web, why not upgrade and get it off your mind.


donald

 

[Robert Latest]

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:31:22 -0700,

But 2^19 = 524.29

Where did the 19 come from? One "official" MB is 2^20 bytes.

robert

 

[Robert Latest]

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:06:03 -0400,

The same is true of disk drives--the free space reported is that
actually available for files, and excludes e.g. file system data
structures and hot spare sectors.

I know, but in this case the 10^6 vs 2^20 arithmetic just works out
too nicely to be written off as coincidence.

robert

 

[Joerg]

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:31:22 -0700,



Where did the 19 come from? One "official" MB is 2^20 bytes.

Oops, slipped a bit. But it's just a few orders of magnitude

 

[Richard Henry]

The same is true of disk drives--the free space reported is that
actually available for files, and excludes e.g. file system data
structures and hot spare sectors. I don't know what Windows reports in
Properties, though--I've given up trying to guess.

In my experience, the disk file system is in the user's space and any
"hot spare sectors" are unavailable.

 

[Donald]

1GB is really 1024MB, right?

1G decimal or 1G binary BYTES

1024-986 = 38MB.

How much silicon in 38MB ?

 

[JeffM]

After 8 years of WIN98SE on the books, there are still people
who don't know that Win95/Win98(FE) does not support USB ???
This is not news.

Well, the FACTS would be *news* to YOU.
98FE (as well as the last version of W95)
DO HAVE USB "SUPPORT" (from Micros~1).

The FACT is that the vast majority of DEVICE MANUFACTURERS
thought that M$'s implementation WRT the actual USB spec was poor
and few **vendors** saluted it.
This makes trying to find a piece of gear that has these drivers
(aka hen's teeth) a complete waste of time.

If you want to use Windoze,
get a version that is supported by the device manufacturer
....and read what's on the damned box BEFORE you pay for any gear
--if it doesn't EXPLICITLY mention your OS, IT DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.

 

[jasen]

Just curious: Got a USB memory stick 4-pack at CostCo. Four Dane-Elec
512MB stick, great deal ($40). After plugging in the first one the
laptop hard drive was crunching a lot (this laptop is used to USB
sticks). Upon checking an empty stick it turns out that properties lists
514MB but only 490MB of that free.

What kind of overhead is in those sticks? If it's really >20MB, why so much?

measure again using a unit of agreed size (like bytes)

Bye.
Jasen

 

[jasen]

Anyhow, whatever number of cells they squeezed in, if the net available
space is 490MB it shouldn't be advertised as 512MB. But I am not
complaining, it's enough for my purposes. Just wondering.

hard-drive makers have been doing this for decades.

Bye.
Jasen

 

[jasen]

1GB is really 1024MB, right?

Wrong, it's either 1024MiB or 1000MB depending on context:

In ram, it's 2^30 bytes, in hard disks it's 10^9 bytes.

Bye.
Jasen

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Just curious: Got a USB memory stick 4-pack at CostCo. Four Dane-Elec
512MB stick, great deal ($40). After plugging in the first one the
laptop hard drive was crunching a lot (this laptop is used to USB
sticks). Upon checking an empty stick it turns out that properties lists
514MB but only 490MB of that free.

What kind of overhead is in those sticks? If it's really >20MB, why so
much?

Over here (UK) it's possible to buy 1GB USB drives for $10

--
Dirk

http://www.onetribe.me.uk - The UK's only occult talk show
Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
http://www.resonancefm.com

 

[Donald]

measure again using a unit of agreed size (like bytes)

Bye.
Jasen

Bytes are the same, the defination of G is at issue.

Its like:

The sales man and engineer agree that the product will be available on
the same day.

The sales man means: first thing in the morning,
the engineer means: by the end of the day.

donald

 

[Jan Panteltje]

hard-drive makers have been doing this for decades.

Bye.
Jasen

DVD too, 4.7GB is actually 4 700 000 000 bytes exactly.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

Well, the FACTS would be *news* to YOU.
98FE (as well as the last version of W95)
DO HAVE USB "SUPPORT" (from Micros~1).

The FACT is that the vast majority of DEVICE MANUFACTURERS
thought that M$'s implementation WRT the actual USB spec was poor
and few **vendors** saluted it.
This makes trying to find a piece of gear that has these drivers
(aka hen's teeth) a complete waste of time.

If you want to use Windoze,
get a version that is supported by the device manufacturer
...and read what's on the damned box BEFORE you pay for any gear
--if it doesn't EXPLICITLY mention your OS, IT DOESN'T SUPPORT IT.

That is not always true.
It helps for the ignorant, but for example USB sticks and SD cards etc..
are recognized as mass storage by Linux.
Even if it is not mentioned on the box.
There is no need to respect the FAT filesystem it comes pre-formatted with
either, cat mymovie.mpg > /dev/sda1 works, and playing it with
cat /dev/sda1 | mplayer - does too.
I remember buying a Creative Webcam in the nineteen hundreds, and asked the
guy if it worked in Linux.
He said no way.
But I found a DOS driver with source, ported it, wrote an interface.
Many things work in Linux, but not all.

 

[JeffM]

I was hoping that folks would keep this bit in mind
as they read the entire paragraph.

That is not always true.
It helps for the ignorant, but for example USB sticks and SD cards etc..
are recognized as mass storage by Linux.
Even if it is not mentioned on the box.

Yes. The word "Legendary" springs to mind.
http://kernel.osuosl.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/images/ols_2006_keynote_04.jpg
http://kernel.osuosl.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/images/ols_2006_keynote_24.jpg
http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html

I was trying to say **doesn't EXPLICITLY mention your
Windows OS version**
^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^

98FE (as well as the last version of W95)
DO HAVE USB "SUPPORT" (from Micros~1).
[...]M$'s implementation WRT the actual USB spec was poor
and few **vendors** saluted it.
This makes trying to find a piece of gear that has these drivers
(aka hen's teeth) a complete waste of time.

The point I was trying to make is **Don't bother**.
Get an OS version that wasn't constructed using stone tools.
In this regard, Linux can be included.

 

[Joerg]

Over here (UK) it's possible to buy 1GB USB drives for $10

With those dreaded mail-in rebates you can get that here in the US, too.
But these are nicely packaged in tight snap-together housings. The
single sticks often get lint into the contact areas after being in a
pocket all day. I've got some of those 1GB as well.

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

With those dreaded mail-in rebates you can get that here in the US, too.
But these are nicely packaged in tight snap-together housings. The
single sticks often get lint into the contact areas after being in a
pocket all day. I've got some of those 1GB as well.

Mine came with a nylon ribbon so I can wear it round my neck.
Geek accessory.

--
Dirk

http://www.onetribe.me.uk - The UK's only occult talk show
Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
http://www.resonancefm.com

 

[Joerg]

Mine came with a nylon ribbon so I can wear it round my neck.
Geek accessory.

So did mine. Except that I hate wearing stuff around my neck ;-)

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Bytes are the same, the defination of G is at issue.

Its like:

The sales man and engineer agree that the product will be available on
the same day.

The sales man means: first thing in the morning,
the engineer means: by the end of the day.

Well, sure but EVERYONE knows that they never let the sales people
finish the rest of the day when they're fired, and they rarely fire any
engineer before quitting time.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Joerg]

Because it clashes with the bling?

I ain't gonna wear no bling ;-)