"paging system"

[Don]

Got a cusotomer that used to have a paging system with talk back from 7 or 8
locations. They had replaced it with one that doesn't do talk back. Now
they want the ability for someone in one of those locations to signal them
that something is wrong and then they will go to see what the problem is.
Quoted a a simple Aiphone intercom. Seemed the perfect solution. They
don't want to spend that much. Any ideas out there for a panic button and
buzzer/light alert type station? Don't really like the idea of not having
2 way comunication but I said I'd look into it. I didn't want to have to
shade tree engineer one if I did'nt have to. TIA

 

[ABLE_1]

Ahhhh if you "Quoted a simple Aiphone intercom" and they didn't want to
spend that much, how much did you price it at???? Either they are too cheap
or you priced it to the moon. Sounds like you should either walk away or
look at your pricing.

Two tin cans and a string would work for the very cheap. Then again you
could use a wireless door bell from Lowes or Home Depot for $29.95, plus 1
hour labor to travel and pick up, and 5 minutes to install, another 5
minutes to instruct and your out the door. Service calls to replace the
battery once a year minimum of a 2 hour service call. Seems very profitable
to me. $$$$

But, be careful if they find out how simple it was they may have there
secretary go a pick it up and install and you get nothing.

Les

 

[Beachcomber]

Google "annunciator panel" or "annuciator". That's what they are
called and you should be able to find something already built that
will work for you.

You can also make one with simple relays and light bulbs, but that
would require some minimal electrical knowledge and probably not look
as spiffy as a commercial solution.

Beachcomber

 

[Don]

Ahhhh if you "Quoted a simple Aiphone intercom" and they didn't want to
spend that much, how much did you price it at????

lets just say less than 2, 7 stations 1 master in a very big 2 story
commercial bldg. using Aiphones' wire cost a little more but gives you
extra 1 year on the warranty.

Either they are too cheap or you priced it to the moon. Sounds like you
should either walk away or look at your pricing.

The reason I quoted that was because I thought that would be the most cost
effective solution. I could be wrong.

Two tin cans and a string would work for the very cheap. Then again you
could use a wireless door bell from Lowes or Home Depot for $29.95, plus 1
hour labor to travel and pick up, and 5 minutes to install, another 5
minutes to instruct and your out the door. Service calls to replace the
battery once a year minimum of a 2 hour service call. Seems very
profitable to me. $$$$
hmmmmm


But, be careful if they find out how simple it was they may have there
secretary go a pick it up and install and you get nothing.

till they actually have to do it and then maybe a different story.

 

[Don]

Google "annunciator panel" or "annuciator". That's what they are
called and you should be able to find something already built that
will work for you.

good suggestion.
lots of health care apps.......
don't see how that will save much $ if rated for health care

You can also make one with simple relays and light bulbs, but that
would require some minimal electrical knowledge and probably not look
as spiffy as a commercial solution.

yea, it would be pretty easy, but would prefer commercial solution.

 

[Frank Olson]

Got a cusotomer that used to have a paging system with talk back from 7 or 8
locations. They had replaced it with one that doesn't do talk back. Now
they want the ability for someone in one of those locations to signal them
that something is wrong and then they will go to see what the problem is.
Quoted a a simple Aiphone intercom. Seemed the perfect solution. They
don't want to spend that much. Any ideas out there for a panic button and
buzzer/light alert type station? Don't really like the idea of not having
2 way comunication but I said I'd look into it. I didn't want to have to
shade tree engineer one if I did'nt have to. TIA

First off, a "fixed panic button" may not be the best idea. This would
require someone to have the ability to reach it if there is a problem.
You might try a wireless panic button/receiver combo.
http://www.visonic.com/visonichomep...761369072211E0D7C2256C17003545E8?OpenDocument

 

[Robert L Bass]

lets just say less than 2, 7 stations 1 master in a very big 2 story
commercial bldg. using Aiphones' wire cost a little more but gives you extra 1 year on the warranty.

Aiphone no longer offers cable. Their supplier went belly up. Use any wire that meets the specs. For mid-cap (required by some of
their systems) fire alarm cable intended for addressable loops will work but it's pricey.

The reason I quoted that was because I thought that would be the most cost effective solution. I could be wrong.

For what you get, especially in terms of system performance over time, it's hard to get a better deal than Aiphone. Their systems
generally outlast everything else on the planet.

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Robert L Bass

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[Don]

Less than $ 2K for that? I think you might have mis-quoted.

too low?

Look at NuTone, and Tektone for cheap.

see: http://www.housingdevices.com/ada100.htm for AOR type stuff.

good link

 

[Don]

You have 7 remotes and a master, so a minimum charge *just to run wire
per drop* would be $100 x 7 = $700. Equipment cost is about $800 to
$1400+ depending on what they get. So where is your profit?

not much is there.

Only
you know the details - but you described a large commercial bldg, so I
figure 2 techs one day=16 man hours for the installation.

I have worked in the bldg and know it intimately... so I hoped I could knock
it out in 1 day but I figured 2 to cya. Trying to help out a good customer.

 

[Robert L Bass]

fire alarm cable intended for addressable loops

What exactly is that Mr. Bass?

Mid-capacitance cable. Aiphone specifies it for some of their systems.

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Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Robert L Bass]

What exactly is that Mr. Bass?

Mid-capacitance cable. Aiphone specifies it for some of their systems.

I sell a lot of Aiphone systems. Their GF series video intercoms are excellent, extremely configurable and a snap to install. It
uses 2-conductor, unshielded cable for audio and video. The spec calls for 32 pf/ft cable on certain runs. Others are ordinary
18/2 and 22/2.

I sold one to the owner of a four-unit apartment recently. Their electrician installed it. There are two audio/video monitors per
apartment and a single door station with camera. Nice system. Very competitively priced compared to some of the other apartment
entry systems out there.

BTW, check out their AN-8000 system. It runs over the customer's IP network (LAN or WAN). An industrial or educational campus can
have 1280 stations in 80 "exchanges". The system can run across the Internet, connecting offices in multiple sites around the
world. Pretty slick compared to Nutone, eh? :^)

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Robert L Bass]

Also, the MKS system requires 15.9 pf/ft capacitance cable. The stuff is hard to find at security suppliers but certain fire alarm
cables meet the spec. Cf: Genesis Cable for more info.

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Robert L Bass

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4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Don]

looks like I might save them a few bucks with something like this
http://www.eeiusa.com/900-362.html
but not many$.

 

[Robert L Bass]

but not many$.

Those sell at retail for about $465.

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Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Don]

Those sell at retail for about $465.

slightly more than the aiphone lef10 master.
the room stations say splashproof. I wonder how they'd hold up in a locker
room or pool area?

 

[Robert L Bass]

slightly more than the aiphone lef10 master.

the room stations say splashproof. I wonder
how they'd hold up in a locker room or pool area?

Locker rooms shouldn't be a problem. Indoor swimming pool rooms can be rough places for electronic circuitry.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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