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Here is a working setup combined with solar
http://www.humboldt.edu/~serc/papers/SchatzSolarbroch_2003.pdf
and
http://www.humboldt.edu/~serc/solarh2cycle.html
also
http://www.fuelcells.org
has alot of useful links/info plus a forums with people interested in cell production.
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forgot this link http://www.humboldt.edu/~serc/stackinabox.html
has information on a portable fuelcell system that could be used in conjunction with say the bingo reactor. The system loads out 12VDC 110VAC inverted.
http://www.humboldt.edu/~serc/papers/SchatzSolarbroch_2003.pdf
and
http://www.humboldt.edu/~serc/solarh2cycle.html
also
http://www.fuelcells.org
has alot of useful links/info plus a forums with people interested in cell production.
*edit*
forgot this link http://www.humboldt.edu/~serc/stackinabox.html
has information on a portable fuelcell system that could be used in conjunction with say the bingo reactor. The system loads out 12VDC 110VAC inverted.
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i just conducted a hydrogen production exsperiment useing a small plastic film can canister, and a diode yes diode , and some water and house hold electrolysed salt, now, on each side of the plastic film can i made a hole the diameter of the thick diode i used then i cut the diode in half exsposeing the metalic matierial at each half end then i inserted each half into each hole, then i sealed around each one with super glue, at first i used just the water and when i ran the postive diode half wire to the 12 volts lead acid cell battery positive terminal and the negative diode half wire to the battery negative i got bubles forming at the diode negative half but not the positive and there was activity of some kind at the negative metal end half of the diode as with my dome lense sitting on top of the plastic canister, i can view it easy this white fine bubles comeing up faster while the larger bubles that formed got bigger slowly then dislodged and drift half way across the water in the container, towards the positive diode half before poping, instead of going strait up , i then added the salt to it and the water went cloudy white and the activity of the fine bubles at the negative diode half, increased, and then the positive half diode started to do the same , and with the radio on down stairs i can still hear the bubles when i put my ears close to it, i then decided to try the flame and as i lifted up the dome lense and brought the lighter flame close i herd this puff like hydrogen igniting but it happend so fast i dident see the flame but the top half of the water above the negative diode half was coverd in a fine black stuff. and the metalic negative diode end was black to, which was easy to clean off with a cotton bud, the metalic ends of the diode halves was great at produceing this effect and with the house hold electrolysed salt together was like a catalyst in itself , i plan to double the amount of diode halfs for electrodes and run my high voltage charged up photo flash voltages through it next time . from my high voltage photo flash charged capacitorsView attachment 36153
ive just tried this exsperiment again this time i left it on my desk and under half an hour or less i went up to check it ,only to find the water with salt in it gone black so i put on my protection gogles and went outside and opened the lid that i put on it while it was on my desk, then i held the flame of my cigarette lighter near the opening and pop it went, so fast i dident see a thing not even the flame but it sure worked ill try it in the dark next time ive just biult another plastic can type electrolysis exsperiment this time i used a fat 1n5408 diode for it i prepaird it the same way as before , the larger inner surface erea of the conductive matierial in it created more hydrogen and oxygen much faster after i set it all up and conected it to my battery for 7-8 miniutes i took it outside in the dark and removed a tiny blue tac that was covering the tiny vent hole i drilled at the top . the water in it was light black after 7 to 8 miniutes and i had eye gogles on for protection. outside i held it out at arms length and held a lite flame from my lighter close to the tiny hole at the top, in the dark when all of a sudden this loud bang, it happed so fast there was no sight of a flame or fire and yet i was still holding the canister with the diodes sticking out after the big bang, i dident even feel anything but the lid was gone, it should of poped of but it blew apart as i found a peace of it after i turned the outside light on. the light black colourd water was still in the canister i was holdingSounds like you're having fun playing with hydrogen Steven ;D, you wont see a flame as hydrogen burns clear, this is one of the dangers of a hydrogen flame, you can't see it but you know it's there when it burns you . Hydrogen ignites violently although it is difficult to ignite as it is leaving the solution because hydrogen dissipates into the atmosphere very rapidly, this is one of the upside to hydrogen in respect to leakage.(there is a lot more hydrogen being produced then you may realise) If you want to ignite hydrogen with some pops and bangs and flashes at night I will give you one of my recipes 8).
For the electrodes use stainless steel, steal a couple of knives forks etc, from the kitchen. Do not sealed the container leave it open. Users sulphuric acid/battery acid as the catalyst, you'll have to experiment a bit to find a balance between, the electrodes spacing, the amount of catalyst and the amount of current voltage that you can supply. Purified water is best and don't let any other materials into the solution except for stainless steel, this way the solution will stay relatively clean. Once you have a good reaction happening with a steady flow of hydrogen and oxygen, add some dishwashing liquid the tiniest bit at a time, this will form Bubbles of hydrogen and oxygen that you can ignite with a flame, be sure to shield yourself from the solution when you do this, as acid may splash on you from the Bubbles as they ignite.
I use 12V and around 6A, it worked really well very loud bangs.
. Hydrogen ignites violently although it is difficult to ignite as it is leaving the solution because hydrogen dissipates into the atmosphere very rapidly, this is one of the upside to hydrogen in respect to leakage.(there is a lot more hydrogen being produced then you may realise) If you want to ignite hydrogen with some pops and bangs and flashes at night I will give you one of my recipes 8).For the electrodes use stainless steel, steal a couple of knives forks etc, from the kitchen. Do not sealed the container leave it open. Users sulphuric acid/battery acid as the catalyst, you'll have to experiment a bit to find a balance between, the electrodes spacing, the amount of catalyst and the amount of current voltage that you can supply. Purified water is best and don't let any other materials into the solution except for stainless steel, this way the solution will stay relatively clean. Once you have a good reaction happening with a steady flow of hydrogen and oxygen, add some dishwashing liquid the tiniest bit at a time, this will form Bubbles of hydrogen and oxygen that you can ignite with a flame, be sure to shield yourself from the solution when you do this, as acid may splash on you from the Bubbles as they ignite.
I use 12V and around 6A, it worked really well very loud bangs
.thankyou dazza we produced hydrogen in science class as for useing dish washing liuqiud to form the bubles and keep then contined ive seen that on tv years ago i think it was proffessor julius summer miller doing science demo s as for the acids i never used it except in the science lab back at high chool long time ago and hydrogen suposed to burn with a blue flame i think cant remember , its been such a long time ago, but produceing it with oxgen well it goes fast anyhow what do you think of my idea of useing diodes for electrodes , and the fact that the dislodgeing bubles drift across towards the other diode electrode in my exsperiments before poping instead of going up strait from the diode electrode, is that that normal and i used iodised salt saturated water which is not dangerous like acid , ive seen your posting of the power supply thing but cant remember if i looked at the schematic, ill have another look
her is the picture of the latest experiment i did last night, youll notice the really large diode i used as an electrode and the small plastic canister this one was used for containing the rubber gloves in the hair dyeing stuff my misses used to dye her hair with here in western australia, and in one of the pictures is the lid blown to peaces i put the remaining lid on to show the part thats missing
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with the diode method useing them as electrodes, im working on an idea of useing more diodes for each side , useing the large diodes as i did in the last exsperiment , constructing this to be adjustable so i can move them closer together. as you mentioned dazza, ive got the bits from my dead gas powerd soldering ion to so ill use this to be able to get the hydrogen gas out througth the old gas soldering iron nozzel peace, once i biuld the membrane part to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen , theres info ive collected before on hydrogen production where the hydrogen and oxygen are separated, and this other method dosent use the car chamios for the embrane, so this would be ok. as for stainlless steel for an electrode, stainlless steel wool for scrubing pots and pans is cheap to get . and then for more voltage and current ill be lqatter trying , a charged up parralell photo flash capacitor bank to see the results if any,in this picture is my latest prototype hydrogen oxygen generator, all made from pvc water pipes, the middle pipe is for the water input, the left pipe peace is for the hydrogen and the middle larger body section of that is the diode reacter chamber, as i call it although not completely finished i just have to drill the holes on each side of that chamber for the diode electrodes to go into. now the other chamber at the other end will produce the oxygen and have 2 lots of diode electrodes that are faceing each other to, now you would thing im makeing a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen in the both diode chambers but the final decision is which lots of diodes im useing ill use the positive half diodes on the left and negative half diodes on the right end of the whole prorotype, the rest of the diodes can be switched in, anytime id like a hydrogen oxygen mixture all together, ill be trying out a 330volts fully charged photoflash capacitors ,in parralel to see if i can get faster results in produceing this rocket feulView attachment 36193
i allmost forgot . the top left and right pipe sections where the hydrogen and oxygen come out of from the diode chambers will have a balloon over each of the gass output pipes, so that when the oxygen and hydrogen leaves these output pipes the baloons will rise up and inflate to indicate that gass is being produced, the electronic method of powering this instead of useing just a 12 volts battery, ill get to that latter when ive completed the high voltage photo flash capacitor charger,in this next picture ive removed the top section of one of the diode reactor chambers to show the inside , once i get more diodes and install them ill post it here and when i do a few more modifications to this hydrogen /oxygen produceing aparartus ill post it to
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i couldent resist the temptation to throw in the end vew of this hydrogen/oxygen generater
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