Re: Strange problem with low energy light bulb

[Michael A. Terrell]

Top-posting is for lazy arrogant ppl.

Like donkeys who are too damn lazy to type 'people'?


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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Arfa Daily]

It happens on occasion and, since most of USENET considers top
posting to be abusive or, at the very least, annoying, it makes me
wonder why you haven't admitted to being wrong about it and changed
your practice.

Even Google Groups advises against top posting at:

http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12348&topic=250

"Summarize what you're following up.

When you click "Reply" under "show options" to follow up an existing
article, Google Groups includes the full article in quotes, with the
cursor at the top of the article. Tempting though it is to just
start typing your message, please STOP and do two things first.
Look at the quoted text and remove parts that are irrelevant.
Then, go to the BOTTOM of the article and start typing there.
Doing this makes it much easier for your readers to get through your
post. They'll have a reminder of the relevant text before your
comment, but won't have to re-read the entire article.
And if your reply appears on a site before the original article
does,
they'll get the gist of what you're talking about."


Just consider this post, for example. What I'm doing is called
"in-line" posting and is basically designed to reply to specific
areas of a post on a line-by-line basis in order to address each
point individually. Note that the replies always _follow_ the area
being commented on, since preceding that area would make no sense
and would cause the reader unnecessary confusion. Since the reply
follows the point being discussed it is a type of bottom posting and
both allow the smooth chronological give-and-take of a thread to be
easily followed.

In conclusion, this is not email; it's USENET, and as such no one
knows when a reader will pick up a post containing subject matter
with which he's not familiar or where, in time, that post was
generated. Having to slog through a chronologically reversed post
to find the beginning of the thread when one is used to the normal
flow of time is annoying, and inconsiderate of the top poster.

Also, for your edification, I've rearranged the thread in this post
in proper chronological order in order that you may see how much
more smoothly it flows.

Very nicely summarised ...

Arfa

 

[JANA]

I guess mercury, neon, and xenon gas is good for us to put in to the ground
and breath.

I'll leave it at that!!!

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JANA
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At least that which doesn't settle in your lungs I guess. Current research
shows micro particulates as being very hazardous.

Thanks

Since he provided no epidemiological studies to show the long term *proven*
effects of any of them on the human body, what exactly are you thanking him
for?
I'll keep an open mind while awaiting some FACTS.

MrT.

 

[[email protected]]

I guess mercury, neon, and xenon gas is good for us to put in to the ground
and breath.

I'll leave it at that!!!

Neon and Xenon are noble gases, read inert.

 

[Peter Dettmann]

seing as you're posting this to aus.electronics I think you should
know that Australian fuel additive ethanol is made from sugar refinery
waste, not from food crops.
Bye.
Jasen

Wow we had better get moving on having sugar removed from all grocery
and food outlets.

Peter Dettmann

 

[D0n Pearce]

[email protected] (Don Pearce) wrote...

FUCKING BUM FIDDLE No idea who posted that FUCKING ANAL FELCHING load
of unpleasantness. FLAPS PORK SWORD MOIST FELCH BUM BANDIT ****
SCRUBBER FANNY MAIN VEIN SHITHEAD ****

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Yes, he must be a "newby" I think.

MrT.

Maybe even new enough that his computer will melt down when he hits a
real 10,000 post flamefest. ;-)


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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[John Fields]

Very nicely summarised ...

Arfa

 

[Arny Krueger]

I guess mercury, neon, and xenon gas is good for us to
put in to the ground and breath.

Mercury is naturally ocurring in the ground. Neon and Xenon are inert gasses
that can only harm living things by displacing gasses in the atmoshphere
that they need. You can breathe all the Neon and Xenon that you want to,
provided you also get enough oxygen.

 

[Don Pearce]

Mercury is naturally ocurring in the ground. Neon and Xenon are inert gasses
that can only harm living things by displacing gasses in the atmoshphere
that they need. You can breathe all the Neon and Xenon that you want to,
provided you also get enough oxygen.

There have been big problems in Cornwall with radioactive Radon. It
comes out of the granite and can build up to dangerous levels in
houses.

d

 

[Arfa Daily]

There have been big problems in Cornwall with radioactive Radon. It
comes out of the granite and can build up to dangerous levels in
houses.

And here in Northamptonshire. I live on top of a hill where the stuff
collects. A few years back, we were all offered free tests, and subsidised
anti-radon equipment if it was found to be at a dangerous level. It turned
out to be slightly above the national average, but not hazardous. I wouldn't
have expected it to be anyway, as we have suspended floors, with free
crossflow of air under them. If it was considered hazardous, the equipment
that they were offering was a fan unit of some description which I think
fitted in the roof somewhere, and maintained a slight positive pressure
within the house, and I think that there was also some kind of fan unit
which helped with the crossflow of air under the floors.

Arfa

 

[Arny Krueger]

There have been big problems in Cornwall with radioactive
Radon. It comes out of the granite and can build up to
dangerous levels in houses.

Radioactive Radon gas is a major problem in many parts of the US, including
parts of my state. But, neither common Neon nor Xenon are radioactive
gasses. Xenon has been used as a medical anesthetic.

 

[Don Klipstein]

Actually that kind of refutes a point that many including you claim. People
WERE happy for the most part with b/w TV's when that's all they had, and
with colour they liked a sharp clean white and a bright vivid image, and
they were happy, and they'd even fall asleep in front of them with the
other lights out, at times, it's an iconic movie thing, often seen, often
shared. Funny behaviour don't you think, given the high colour temperatures
involved?

People tell themselves they don't like stuff the way kids tell themselves
they don't like their greens, or the way they tell themselves they need
heavy clothes on winter days even when those days are warmer and drier than
many summer ones. They even tell themselves that what they read in the
newspapers must be true.

Back to lights: I refer again to the point that reading and detailed indoor
hobbies need shortwave light to avoid eye strain, and the only reason
people turn up the tungsten is because that's the only way they actually
get enough of the shortwave light they need.

Why do people need shortwave light to avoid eyestrain?

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Don Klipstein]

It's a physical law that shorter wavelengths render finer detail.

Can you cite how in human vision, where diffraction limitations are not
an issue?

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

[email protected] (Don Klipstein) wrote in

Why do people need shortwave light to avoid eyestrain?

Try it. Take a red LED and a blue LED. Bright enough to read by. Both
outputting the same amount of light, as judged by eye, when their beams are
side by side on a white wall. Read some small print for a while, or walk
around a dark cluttered room using them as torches. The red light won't
reveal the detail with the same clarity. That's an extreme test but it will
make the point. A more realistic test, dim an incandescent till you are a
little above scotopic vision, but can still make out colour clearly, and
read. Try the same again with a light that is strong in shortwave light,
like a Cree LED lighting the wall beside you to get a diffuse light source.
Eyes try to focus to improve visibility. They'll try harder to do that if
they can't get enough shortwave light to make sharp details to focus on, if
you're trying deliberately to use them to see that detail. Which is where
the strain comes from.

That might not happen if you're not trying to look closely at anything, but
many people consider reading a relaxing activity, and it isn't if you don't
have enough shortwave light to render sharp text. If people weren't so
conditioned to low colour temperatures, I think there might be less people
with difficulty in reading as they get older. I don't know what research
has been done on this but it could be interesting to see its results if any
has.

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

[email protected] (Don Klipstein) wrote in

Can you cite how in human vision, where diffraction limitations are
not
an issue?

Perhaps they are? I don't see how they can be, being a thousandfold smaller
than what we're likely to be seeing, but if I try seeing detail with red
light there's a definite lack of the sharpness of detail that I see if I
use blue light. Whatever the cause of the effect, it's definitely there,
and I have no known abberations of vision so I must assume I am not alone
in this.

 

[Lostgallifreyan]

[email protected] (Don Klipstein) wrote in


Try it. Take a red LED and a blue LED. Bright enough to read by. Both
outputting the same amount of light, as judged by eye, when their
beams are side by side on a white wall. Read some small print for a
while, or walk around a dark cluttered room using them as torches. The
red light won't reveal the detail with the same clarity.

I just tried this and I have to say it didn't work as I thought. The
blue was less bright than the red but that still didn't account for it.

I think it's probably the green part of the usual spectra we see by that
makes the difference. If we use hotter tungsten the ratio of red to green
favours green more than with cooler tungsten, and we're more sensitive to
green, so a smaller hotter source can make useful light more efficiently
than a larger cooler one. If it's biased too much toward blue I guess the
same problem occurs as with light that is too red.

 

[Barry OGrady]

I would recommend you do some thinking before typing (talking).

You didn't think enough tom avoid top posting.

If you lease the batteries, in the end someone has to pay for them, and it
will not be owner. In any case, the owner has to make his money back, plus a
profit. When the batteries are no longer useful, the owner is going to have
to dispose of the batteries somewhere!!!

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JANA
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The simple and obvious way to deal with this is by leasing the battery, not
owning it.

Graham

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[Barry OGrady]

Before you call someone an idiot, you should do some research. You are
looking like the fool, not me.

Before you call someone a fool you should learn not to top post.

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JANA
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In Europe it's called WEEE but it's fucked up.


You're an idiot.

Graham

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[Barry OGrady]

Without taking sides on any other issues, IMO the old rule not to top post
is out of date! It is much more appropriate in today's environment to top
post.

Please don't top post. It messes up the attributions and makes you
look stupid.


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