Uplink Network/Line costs?

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jobs

Jan 1, 1970
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If a monitoring company says they support uplink for a fee, does this
imply they are supplying the network/line that uplink needs to place
the call?

How does this work? Uplink is hardware. who supplies the network?

What's a fair price to add uplink coverage beyond the hardware and
install?

Is the monitoring station having to do anything special because you
are uplink?

Any alternative options to uplink? If the goal is to deter somebody
from stopping the signal. on option of have the telephone company run
the phone line higher in my roof requiring burglars to climb on my
roof.. Also I hear Direct tv will be offering satalite DSL (possibly
thorugh blue sky or something), but the idea of being completely line
free (including going VOIP) is kinda cool.

Thanks for any suggestions.
 
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Bob La Londe

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark Leuck said:
I don't see any reason they should charge a fee, it's calling in on a line
thats no different than any other

Who? The dealer? The CS?

Somebody has to pay Uplink.
 
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jc

Jan 1, 1970
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So say I buy the uplink hardware for $200. Where do I go I can use
it? It uses Cellular GSM right? That requires a cellular network
right? or will the hw alone work with no network?
 
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socko

Jan 1, 1970
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jc said:
So say I buy the uplink hardware for $200. Where do I go I can use
it? It uses Cellular GSM right? That requires a cellular network
right? or will the hw alone work with no network?

go buy a cell phone, then you have to pay somebody for the service if
you want to use it.. same with uplink.
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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You then go to an alarm dealer that has an account with Uplink.

If you are an alarm dealer you open an account with Uplink and pay them a
monthly fee, in addition to your CS charges, then you charge your client a
monthly fee based upon your CS cost + your Uplink cost.


--
**Crash Gordon**

| So say I buy the uplink hardware for $200. Where do I go I can use
| it? It uses Cellular GSM right? That requires a cellular network
| right? or will the hw alone work with no network?
 
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jc

Jan 1, 1970
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You then go to an alarm dealer that has an account with Uplink.

If you are an alarm dealer you open an account with Uplink and pay them a
monthly fee, in addition to your CS charges, then you charge your client a
monthly fee based upon your CS cost + your Uplink cost.

--
**Crash Gordon**


| So say I buy the uplink hardware for $200. Where do I go I can use
| it? It uses Cellular GSM right? That requires a cellular network
| right? or will the hw alone work with no network?
 
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jc

Jan 1, 1970
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go buy a cell phone, then you have to pay somebody for the service if
you want to use it.. same with uplink.

cell phone line? that's easy $15 a month for the additional line. And
you still need the uplink hardware? and the uplink hardware can
connect to uplink?
 
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Doug

Jan 1, 1970
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I guess RLB was wrong, it is rocket science after all.

Doug

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socko

Jan 1, 1970
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jc said:
cell phone line? that's easy $15 a month for the additional line. And
you still need the uplink hardware? and the uplink hardware can
connect to uplink?
correct
 
J

jc

Jan 1, 1970
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You then go to an alarm dealer that has an account with Uplink.

If you are an alarm dealer you open an account with Uplink and pay them a
monthly fee, in addition to your CS charges, then you charge your client a
monthly fee based upon your CS cost + your Uplink cost.


Oh okay. The alarm dealer charges a premium because he's having to
cover the uplink line. The uplink account enables uplink harwdare to
communicate through them (like a network) to the CS.

Possible or worth it to try to communicate through normal cell
service? If there were a way to communicate through an existing cell
line (already in use on existing cell phone) that would be nice. But
clearly that's not going to be legal or easy as SIM cards should
restrict that.

thanks.
 
B

Bob La Londe

Jan 1, 1970
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Too bad this group doesn't have a real FAQ. I think this post would be a
good one to archive for general information. (Updated in the future as
things change.)

jc said:
Oh okay. The alarm dealer charges a premium because he's having to
cover the uplink line. The uplink account enables uplink harwdare to
communicate through them (like a network) to the CS.

Possible or worth it to try to communicate through normal cell
service?

No. Not with the disappearance of analog. Maybe some time in the future.
If there were a way to communicate through an existing cell
line (already in use on existing cell phone) that would be nice. But
clearly that's not going to be legal or easy as SIM cards should
restrict that.

Nothing illegal about it. I used to use an analog unit by Stealth Labs that
integrated a standard Motorola cellular mobile (car phone unit) with a
propritary daughter board for cell backup. You could subscribe through
Stealth Labs or use it as a family share phone on another cell provider
plan. It programmed with a standard Motorola Cell Phone Handset.

If you were thinking that you could take your hand held cell phone and plug
it into your alarm panel then its really is not practical, although there
are some docking stations for some that might make it remotely possible. I
have no experience with any of them, and I would suspect that the alarm
panel would be looking for better signal quality than is typically provided
by cellular voice service.

Uplink, Telguard, and many others work by translating the signals and
information from the alarm panel into a form that can be transmitted over
the digital control channels of the digital cellular network, and sending it
their signal processing center. At that location it is converted back to
standard alarm type signals and retransmitted over the telephone network to
the central station. They pay airtime to the cellular providers, they paid
to build their processing center, and they have to pay their employees.
They pass that cost onto the alarm dealer selling their units and service
along with a relatively modest profit per unit. The alarm dealer then
installs the unit in your premise, activates it, and tests it. They then
bill you for installation and monthly service. I don't know what other
dealers charge for this, but we don't charge much more per month than the
price of an extra line on a family share plan from your cell provider.
(unless you have a lot of signal traffic over the cell service)

Quit looking for back doors with your security and do it right. Even if you
do it yourself there are some things that are "the best way" to do it. In
this case a cellular data channel or data burst unit designed to go between
your phone line and your alarm panel is the "right way" to do it. I
personally have had better luck with Telguard units, but Uplink is much
cheaper for the hardware.

Another other options might be to place an IP reporting module between the
alarm panel and the POTS line. (POTS - Plain old telephone service) It is
less reliable than cellular IMO, but better than nothing. One advanatage is
that it is often no additional cost if your central station is already setup
for that particular IP reporting type of hardware.

For reliability under normal circumstances and my experience and knowledge
indicates them in this order. There are other services that may be
available and this is a general description, but for the average residential
customer I believe this to be the best array of options and order of
reliability.

POTS
Private Radio Network
Cellular
IP Network Module

Digital Phone (Not reliable)
VOIP (Not Reliable)

I mention the last two because some people in this group have claimed to
have some success with these in some circumstances. I list digital phone
seperate from VOIP as there are service provides who provide a non-VOIP type
digital phone service paired with other services such as cable.


--
Sincerly,
The guy who makes the final decision on who we buy from.
Bob La Londe

The Security Consultant
Bob La Londe - Owner
P.O. Box 5720
Yuma, Az 85366

(928) 782-9765 ofc
(928) 782-7873 fax

Licensed Contractor
ROC103044 & ROC103047
 
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Bob La Londe

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob La Londe said:
POTS
Private Radio Network
Cellular
IP Network Module

Digital Phone (Not reliable)
VOIP (Not Reliable)

I mention the last two because some people in this group have claimed to
have some success with these in some circumstances. I list digital phone
seperate from VOIP as there are service provides who provide a non-VOIP
type digital phone service paired with other services such as cable.

P.S. I would like to add that most phone sales staff are uneducated about
the technology used, and it takes some digging to determine if the digital
phone service being offered by a provider is a seperate digital frequnecy on
their network or really just VOIP sold as "digital" to avoid the stigma
sometimes associated with VOIP services.
 
B

Bob La Londe

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank Olson said:
It does have a "voice" though. http://www.yoursecuritysource.com

If it has a real informational FAQ for general public use section I
provisionally allow you to add the synopsis I posted to the FAQ as long as
my name and company information in the signature is at the end of the post,
and you understand that I reserve the right to withdraw permission. (I
don't see me ever needing to do that, but I have learned in this world to
prepare for the unforseen.)

Of course any of hundreds of participants in this group could have written a
similar post and they are more than welcome to do so.


--
Sincerly,
The guy who makes the final decision on who we buy from.
Bob La Londe

The Security Consultant
Bob La Londe - Owner
P.O. Box 5720
Yuma, Az 85366

(928) 782-9765 ofc
(928) 782-7873 fax

Licensed Contractor
ROC103044 & ROC103047

Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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jc said:
Oh okay. The alarm dealer charges a premium because he's having to
cover the uplink line. The uplink account enables uplink harwdare to
communicate through them (like a network) to the CS.

Possible or worth it to try to communicate through normal cell
service? If there were a way to communicate through an existing cell
line (already in use on existing cell phone) that would be nice. But
clearly that's not going to be legal or easy as SIM cards should
restrict that.

thanks.


Uplink has to pay a fee to a cellular service provider to access the "A"
channel on the cell network. The way it was explained to me is that
there are two channels. The "A" channel is what they call the "control
channel". It's what the network uses to establish whether your
cellphone is "allowed" (your "min" number and other data is exchanged),
and is used by your cell unit to actually "dial" the number you want to
call. The "B" channel is the one that you actually talk on. Since the
amount of traffic on the "A" channel isn't as intense as the "B", the
cellular service offered by companies like SurGuard (Skyroute) and
Uplink doesn't really interfere with normal cell phone usage. The data
packets sent along this channel are in small bursts. The cellular
service providers "lease" this channel to Uplink (and other "cellemetry"
providers) for a fee. Uplink also has to maintain the infrastructure to
re-route the data packets to your CS via land line. That's the reason
you can't simply use any cell phone to send the information your alarm
system generates. Surguard used to have a cellular phone communicator.
It was called "Links 1000". Your dealer would normally set up the
unit at the distributor and the service was billed to the customer
directly as "emergency cell access". In BC, Telus provided the service
for $9.95 a month plus a per-minute charge of $.35. The nice thing
about the Links system, was that the dealer could actually call the
control unit using the DLS software since an actual phone number was
assigned to each unit.

Hope this helps.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
If it has a real informational FAQ for general public use section I
provisionally allow you to add the synopsis I posted to the FAQ as long as
my name and company information in the signature is at the end of the post,
and you understand that I reserve the right to withdraw permission. (I
don't see me ever needing to do that, but I have learned in this world to
prepare for the unforseen.)

Of course any of hundreds of participants in this group could have written a
similar post and they are more than welcome to do so.


Thanks Bob. You've already contributed some useful information on
DVR's. :)
 
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Bob La Londe

Jan 1, 1970
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I am pretty sure that A & B channel referrs to the two channels available
for analog cellular service in any given area. A distinction that is no
longer relevant to my understanding with the array of digital cellular
service available today except that I think the cellular providers that own
those frequencies still own them. They are just using them much more
efficiently to provide more services and more bandwidth within the same
frequency ranges.

Ownership of frequencies etc may vary in other countries.

But, hey. What do I know. I'm just a sun damaged desert rat from Arizona.


--
Sincerly,
The guy who makes the final decision on who we buy from.
Bob La Londe

The Security Consultant
Bob La Londe - Owner
P.O. Box 5720
Yuma, Az 85366

(928) 782-9765 ofc
(928) 782-7873 fax

Licensed Contractor
ROC103044 & ROC103047
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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We don't charge a "premium", more like a few bucks more per month on top of
the normal monitoring fees.
Keep in mind that the Uplink AnyNet is not a full reporting unit, we use it
to send Burg & Fire (two signals, plus some trouble and test sigs) it won't
send you detailed events. There are other, more expensive, units that can
send all signals.



--
**Crash Gordon**

| On Dec 2, 10:47 am, "Crash Gordon" <[email protected]>
| wrote:
| > You then go to an alarm dealer that has an account with Uplink.
| >
| > If you are an alarm dealer you open an account with Uplink and pay them
a
| > monthly fee, in addition to your CS charges, then you charge your client
a
| > monthly fee based upon your CS cost + your Uplink cost.
| >
| > --
| > **Crash Gordon**
|
|
| Oh okay. The alarm dealer charges a premium because he's having to
| cover the uplink line. The uplink account enables uplink harwdare to
| communicate through them (like a network) to the CS.
|
| Possible or worth it to try to communicate through normal cell
| service? If there were a way to communicate through an existing cell
| line (already in use on existing cell phone) that would be nice. But
| clearly that's not going to be legal or easy as SIM cards should
| restrict that.
|
| thanks.
 
F

Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
I am pretty sure that A & B channel referrs to the two channels available
for analog cellular service in any given area.

You are correct. I forgot to mention that.

A distinction that is no
longer relevant to my understanding with the array of digital cellular
service available today except that I think the cellular providers that own
those frequencies still own them. They are just using them much more
efficiently to provide more services and more bandwidth within the same
frequency ranges.

Ownership of frequencies etc may vary in other countries.

But, hey. What do I know. I'm just a sun damaged desert rat from Arizona.


We've got about a foot of snow here. Put some skis on that ol' hawg of
yours and come on up!! :)
 
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