Vacuum tube, Measured Vacuum?

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amdx

Jan 1, 1970
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After watching the Triode being built, someone ask, "how much vacuum does a
tube need?" Is there an industry standard for the vacuum in tubes?
Mike
 
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MooseFET

Jan 1, 1970
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After watching the Triode being built, someone ask, "how much vacuum does a
tube need?" Is there an industry standard for the vacuum in tubes?
Mike


Early tubes were "soft". They left some gas in them on purpose. A
"soft" tube has a higher gain, is leakier, and is less linear. Later
tubes had good vacuum in them and used a "getter" to remove any
remaining gasses after the tube was sealed up. The getter was in th
eform of a ring and was "fired" to make the reactive material hidden
inside open to the insides of the tube.

"hard" tubes have a longer life than most soft ones.
 
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John Smith

Jan 1, 1970
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amdx said:
After watching the Triode being built, someone ask, "how much vacuum does a
tube need?" Is there an industry standard for the vacuum in tubes?
Mike

This page:


http://www.woodturners.org/tech_tips/vacuum_chuck/basics_of_vacuum_chucks.htm

Claims a perfect vacuum is 30 inches of mercury, and is unobtainable on
earth ... he further goes on to state he has used pumps able to pull 28
inches--28 inches and then the use of a "getter" in the tube should do
it ...

Regards,
JS
 
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Martin Riddle

Jan 1, 1970
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Wikipedia seems to have the answer,
"historically... 10uPa to 10nPa...

Cheers
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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amdx

Jan 1, 1970
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Phil Allison said:
"John Smith


** An article on woodturning ???????



** A woodturner said that ?


he further goes on to state he has used pumps able to pull 28

** ROTFLMAO

What a fuckwit you are , Smith.




....... Phil
I just checked the first 13 of the the 442 posts phil made this new year.
Here's some of what he said, taken completely out of context.
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The OP is a completely clueless ass.

YOU ASS !!

** YOU are a TROLLING BLOODY IDIOT

And a PITA, moronic net cop.

PISSSS OFFFFF

Shame YOU are not - you fucking nut case.

Only proves what a brain dead, human ostrich the ASD fucked, moronic TROLL
is.

Makes you just as bad as the brainless, TROLLING net cop bitch to post here
about it.

Especially brain dead ASD fucked criminal piles of shit like YOU and Suzy.

How the **** would anyone here know that - you asinine shithead ??

What you asked us was all brain dead bollocks.
I'm also fully aware that that does not solve the problem.

** Shame how YOU have completely failed to *define* the problem
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Low pass filtering
the signal will give the circuit either lousy response time to
changing amplitudes or lousy accuracy.

** What fucking signal ?????????????????????

What fucking " response time " ????????????

Only an ASD fucked moron believes others MUST be able to read their
genetically defective, puny minds.

YOU VILE STINKING **** !!!!!!!!

Spoken like the asinine pile of ASD fucked human SHIT you are.

Scum like you need a nice dose of bowel cancer.

What a FUCKING LIAR you are.

Typical Google scum.

A monumental fuckwit, a smug turd, an asshole and a net cop jerk off.

** The bone-headed moron thinks he OWNS the newsgroup and his bizarre
opinions are unchallenagble.

Piss the fool off, or killfile him.
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"a masturbating dickhead wanker"

Here's some of what he said, taken completely out of context.



** Only complete SCUMBAGS deliberately take words out of context.


The OP is a completely clueless, fucking ass.





........ Phil
 
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Ecnerwal

Jan 1, 1970
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John Smith said:
Claims a perfect vacuum is 30 inches of mercury, and is unobtainable on
earth ... he further goes on to state he has used pumps able to pull 28
inches--28 inches and then the use of a "getter" in the tube should do
it ...

Snort. Beware of the web, for it full of people that know part of
something, pontificating as if they know it all. While 28 inches may be
a limit for a particular class of mechanical pump (probably dry vane)
pulling on wood (a porous substance) through a system that is not too
well sealed (typical lathe vacuum setup), it's hardly a limit "on earth".

1 atmosphere (the pressure at the surface of the earth, on average) is
29.92 inches of mercury, or 760 mm of mercury (a unit also known as
torr). Most serious vacuum measurements are in the direction of "0 is a
perfect vacuum", so rather than refer to 760 torr being a perfect
vacuum, we say that the room is at 760 torr, and the chamber is being
pumped down to some figure approaching 0 - 1 torr, 1 millitorr (1x10-3),
1 microtorr (1x10-6) etc.

A half-decent mechanical "roughing" (wet-vane, oil bath) pump can pull a
well-sealed chamber to less than 1 torr, no problem. A turbomolecular
pump, oil diffusion pump, or cryo pump can pull a rather casually
prepared chamber to 10-6 torr, and one that's better prepared can be
pulled to 10-13 or better. If you leave a crapload of stuff in the tube
envelope by stopping at 49 torr (28 inches of mercury) the getter will
"get" full and leave far too much pressure in the tube. You'd want at
least 10-6 (one millionth of a) torr before sealing for any hope of
having the getter work properly (which will further lower the pressure
in the tube). Lower is typically better, except for certain abnormal
types that are using plasma in the tube.
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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amdx said:
After watching the Triode being built, someone ask, "how much vacuum does a
tube need?" Is there an industry standard for the vacuum in tubes?
Mike

Along that same subject: Did that vaccum pump the guy was using appear
to be homemade? After seeing that last shot of him in his workshop, it
appears as though he's the sort of person who would build most of his
equipment from scratch 'just for fun'.
 
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