Water generator and Solar power questions

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dh@.

Jan 1, 1970
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Can anyone suggest any good sources for water powered
electric generators like this one:

http://tinyurl.com/akthl

and/or other groups to ask in? How about solar generators?
How practical is it to use either or both?

Note: I'm aware of Google, and Dogpile, etc, but would still
appreciate any specific sites and groups people are willing
to recommend.
 
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Steve Spence

Jan 1, 1970
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dh@. said:
Can anyone suggest any good sources for water powered
electric generators like this one:

http://tinyurl.com/akthl

and/or other groups to ask in? How about solar generators?
How practical is it to use either or both?

Note: I'm aware of Google, and Dogpile, etc, but would still
appreciate any specific sites and groups people are willing
to recommend.

http://www.realgoods.com/renew/shop/product.cfm/dp/1200/sd/1201/ts/1017104

if you have apprpriate conditions, hydro is most practical. wind is
next, followed by solar.
 
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Derek Broughton

Jan 1, 1970
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It really depends what you mean by "practical".
If you can manage your house/home with 2.4 Kwh of electrical energy a

Luxury! We live well on 1.5kWh / day.
day - well yes! - I suppose its practical (I run a holiday home on
about that amount with lpg cooking and wood heating.)

Propane cooking, hot water & fridge and oil/solar heat. An electric fridge
would probably get us close to that 2.4kWh/day (we already have a small
electric freezer).
You might need about six time the solar generation capacity in most
situations, to equal the output of hydro - and probably a bigger
battery as well - if it is stand-alone.

Typical solar gain in the US/southern Canada is in the realm of 4 hours/day
or less, so at least six times the capacity.

That particular generator seems pretty expensive for so little power - my
Air-X (marine) can put out more power than that for the same sort of money.
I've never really looked into hydro generators because my stream is
seasonal, but I always expected them to be cheaper per watt.
 
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dh@.

Jan 1, 1970
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Luxury! We live well on 1.5kWh / day.


Propane cooking, hot water & fridge and oil/solar heat. An electric fridge
would probably get us close to that 2.4kWh/day (we already have a small
electric freezer).

Typical solar gain in the US/southern Canada is in the realm of 4 hours/day
or less, so at least six times the capacity.

That particular generator seems pretty expensive for so little power - my
Air-X (marine) can put out more power than that for the same sort of money.
I've never really looked into hydro generators because my stream is
seasonal, but I always expected them to be cheaper per watt.

I don't even understand how it all works. I have 3 115 amp hour trolling
batteries I use with an inverter to run my TV etc when I take the boat out.
But I don't understand how to calculate how long they would run a 1.5KW
space heater, or how many more I'd need to make it practical if three isn't
enough, or how to calculate what it would take to run it for how long, or
how to monitor the batteries so I know not to overcharge them, etc.
I really need to learn those basics before I'll be able to think about it in
any detail. The idea is to save money, but if I do it wrong it will probably
cost more. My original idea was to get water to turn an alternator, since
alternators are already set up to charge 12V batteries...and supposedly
set up to not overcharge them...
 
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John Phillips

Jan 1, 1970
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Another thing is that the above turbine is extremely wasteful. It may be
suitable if you have a lot of hydro power you can do without. The first
thing is to know the head from a barrier to the generator. Low head,
high volume and you would use a turbine. High head and low volume and
you are probably better off with a pelton wheel.

In the coastal foothills of CA where realgoods is based, most resources
are better met with a pelton wheel from what I've seen.

Dan,

I have been in the hydro industry for more than 35 years. My friends
in California still call Pelton wheels "turbines". My other
professional friends also call Francis and Kaplan wheels "turbines".
Where have we gone wrong since we do not conform with your definition?

In point of fact, while the boundaries are very blurred, most low head
conventional hydro turbines employ the Kaplan (variable blade) or
propeller design (fixed blade), most moderate head turbines (above 100
feet) a Francis design, and high head (above 1,000 feet) a Pelton
design. Peltons are not reversible so pumped turbines are always
Francis at all but low heads. Ontario Hydro at Niagara Falls uses a
variable vane pumped turbine similar to a Kaplan but called a "Deriaz"
after the original manufacturer. Its maximum head is about 75 feet but
it is much more efficient than its counterparts across the River at
Lewiston that are of the Francis design.



Regards,

John Phillips
 
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