What abt Mt Best fridge?

[Trygve Lillefosse]

Now that is a thought...
Cuz I ain't payin' for your kids.
http://www.synapticsparks.info/evidence

So, what you are saying is that if a foreign millitary power wanted to
overtake the US, they should just come and wipe you out, as you have
no millitary due to no tax?

-Same with fire, police etc. etc.

 

[Trygve Lillefosse]

As I pointed out you really can't just look at your income tax rate because
there are many 'hidden taxes'. Does an employer have to pay any taxes or
fees for each employee? Here they have to pay FICA, workers comp,
unemployment etc. If so that's money that should be going into your pocket
as wages but is going to the government as taxes.

I guess you are right about that.

But then again, you cannot look at the taxes without looking at what
they pay. (standard of police/fire/health departments etc.)

Also you have to look at weather the system is somewhat fair, and
honest. So that you do not pay more/less than another citizen with
same conditions (salary, deductions etc.)

You also want a system that does not try to not pay back taxes if you
have paid to much.*

*According to what i have heard - In the UK, you have to file a
request to get back income tax if you have paid to mutch. And you have
to send the request not to your local office, but to one depending on
what title/work you have got. And it can be a pain in the a* to find
out witch of the offices you "belong" to.

 

[Trygve Lillefosse]

My family has a typical IQ range in the 160-ish area. We do things you
don't even know exist.

Sounds like a made up statement.

1. why would a person with an IQ of 160, use that to make a cheap
point.
2. Don't even know exists - sounds kinda bogus.

 

[Trygve Lillefosse]

I have never lived in fear and yet have always had weapons. As a kid we had
a shotgun behind the door and a 38 pistol on top of the frig. In my home
right now there are at least two loaded firearms, one rifle and one handgun.

To me that sounds like living in constant fear, assuming that danger
is just around the corner at all times.
Hope you do not have kids in the house, even if they are well behaved.

Before I moved here I kept four loaded. A shotgun, a center fire rifle, a
22 pistol and a 45 pistol. At one time or another I needed three of the
four put into action quickly. If I had needed to unlock them, unlock the
ammo box then load the weapon it would have been costly to me. I would have
either had a couple of very large vet bills (ever seen what a couple of dogs
can do to livestock in a few minutes?) or lost the animals.

I see your point, but it might have been possible to just scare them
away.

In case you are wondering why 4 were needed. Its dang hard to hit a cat
with a rifle or handgun (a cat in a chicken house or pigeon coop does a lot
of damage) therefore a shotgun is the weapon of choice. You don't want to

I am assuming that if the chicken house and pigeon coop were properly
secured against cats and foxes, you would hear a lot of locomotion
before they got in. But then again - I do not have mutch experience
with either.

be trying to hit a dog that is just a few feet from your horse with a
shotgun and a 22 won't put a big dog down quickly and humanely, a centerfire

Quite an unknown situation for me. So I guess I would have been a bit
later in the same situation. But then again, horse may have kicked the
dog to death.

rifle will. And you really don't want to use either of those on a possum or
rat in the feed and its hard to handle a rifle in tight spaces.

I would probarbly go for traps or poison.

You seem ignorant of the US gun laws. Let me try to educate you. To but an
assault weapon you must have a Class III firearms permit (which requires a
background check, allow for federal agents to inspect the weapon and its
storage at any time and other things) and pay a transfer tax (it was $200)
for each assault weapon, and the weapon must have been manufactured AND
taxed before 1986. Oh yeah, you state must not forbid the ownership of
them, if it does you can not buy one.

I am ignorant when it comes to the us gun laws. So what is the
"heaviest" weapon you can get without any hazzle?

What do you considder an assault weapon?
I considder any weapon that is made primarely to be used against other
humans, and can be fired at a rapid rate. Mainly millitary weapons or
millitary type weapons(rifles, not pistols).

 

[Trygve Lillefosse]

Are they all cotton? All polyester? Or a blend?

AFAIK they are all cotton

Stage questions I know.... but could you hand wash
them, hang them on a line outside an RV, and would they
dry fast.... or take DAYS drying?

Would assume that there would be no problem in hand washing them.
Drying would be like normal cotton, overnight or upto 24 hours unless
wery humid conditions.

And...what company can I mail order some from?

Dont know.
Nut assume millitary surplus stores etc.

The norwegian vertion is called M98, but I assume that any millitary
clothing within NATO, and made for temperate/cold climate have pretty
simmilar quality/looks.

 

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I have never lived in fear and yet have always had weapons. As a kid we

Or deadly...

Let me think. . . nope can't think of anyone I know that has been shot other
than those already involved in a criminal act (had guy I went to school with
get shot during a drug deal). Maybe your neighbors are on the stupid side.

You are talking full-auto. Most people think AK-47 semiauto when they

That's because most people are weapon ignorant. Can you tell me what, other
than looks, is the difference between an HK91 (which you would call an
asault rifle) and a Remington MD 7400 (which you would call a hunting
rifle)?

think assault weapon. Not all AW's are full auto....

Yes they are, the very definition of an assault weapon is selective fire
(capable of semi and/or full and/or burst fire) rifle firing a medium power
round.

 

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Try thinking outside the box for second and ask yourself this question,
"could it be Doctors are being sued because
they are being kept from providing the treatment that should be given by
the health insurance companies"

Nope. Read about some of the law suits and check out the facts. Heck watch
TV and check out some of the ads from lawyers!!

 

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I live in southern coastal GA so hurricanes are a worry for me as well

that's

The only way that you can do that is if you don't have a mortgage.
That is

Not true. Its much harder to get a mortage but if you work with your bank
you'd be supprised at what you can do.

In my case I'll get a mortage because the property will be payed off and the
land itself will be worth more than the cost of building the house. The
bank will jump at the chance because they can't lose. If I pay off the loan
they earn money, if I default on the loan they'd still make money.

the basic problem with the homeowner's insurance market (and for a change,
it is not caused by the government). Because homeowner's insurance is
mandatory for most, a truly free market for it does not exist, and the
normal rules of supply & demand do not apply. The only reason I have the
freedom to "opt out" and thumb my nose and the insurance industry, is that
the wife and I are among the lucky few who truly own our own home.

I'd never go w/o insurance on any home worth more then the piece of crap
trailer (paid about $5K for it).

 

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virtually all of our Federal taxes refunded. The big saving is health

Sounds like you don't have much coverage, even the average worker with
full coverage through their employer
pays on average $3000.00

Standard 80/20 until I hit some number ($10K??) then its 100% up $1,000,000
with a $400/year deductable.

I pay what the tax law says I must. In a way they are using my money all
year and then pay it back without interest ;~)

I have always said if you want to see governmental reform all you have to do
is to make withholding taxes from a paycheck illegal. The first year people
had to write one big check each year there'd be all new people in office the
next year.

Social security comes out of your paycheck, and it's based on your income
level @ 4.5%. All health care
is covered under general tax revenue.

So your 15% tax rate is really 19.5% plus the sales, property and other
taxes. I'm willing to bet that the 'average' person is paying 25-30% of
their income in taxes.

If you had the accounting software I bet you'd be surprised how much of your
money goes to the government. Take the amount of cash onhand at the start
of the year [SC], the gross amount you made that year [GI]. Add up the
cost, before sales tax, of everything you bought (we'll not try to work in
some of the hidden taxes that cost you) . Get the amount of cash you
have on hand at the end of the year [EC].

SC+GI-B-EC= taxes paid.

That gives you an idea of how much the government takes from you. It can be
truly shocking.

 

[Vaughn Simon]

I'd never go w/o insurance on any home worth more then the piece of crap
trailer (paid about $5K for it).

I once thought that also. In fact, the very thought of not having insurance
once sounded terribly reckless to me. But everything has a price and everything
has a value. Just what is the very most you are willing to pay for homeowner's
insurance? What would you do if your insurance company sent you an invoice for
$ thousands more than that? Now you know the situation I am in.

Vaughn

 

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I build my new home it is going to be hurricane and fire proof (concrete

I have been thinking of a possible house design, after spending some
time at a small iland with a lot of weather. Fortunately there are no
mountains there, meaning the houses can withstand higher wind than
normal, as the wind is even and with less variation during bad
weather.

Anyway, the idea was to have a dome shaped concrete wall against the
direction with most wind and most severe winds (north). at the south
end there would be a closed wintergarden/conservatory with a foldback
glass roof or just a small enclosed garden.

Now, if you wanted to be sure no matter what, you could extend the
domeshape into the building, and make a small areal "whatewer"
resistant, while the rest of the house is like a normal house. If
there is a hyrrycane on its way, you just retreat to your "panic area"
and hope that the rest of the house will survive aswell.

The website is aidome dot com. The only damage they have had to their domes
is when a huge tree fell on one, chipped the concrete, and another had a two
horse trailer thrown into by a tornado, that cracked one panel and knocked a
chunk of concrete out.

 

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Laugh all you want but the fact is if it weren't for the screwed up

legal
system there would probably not be a 'health care crisis'.

some hospitals leave dying people laying on emergency
room floors

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19207050/

IIRC, that was a legal crisis as well, were not the lady and/or the friend
trying to help her in the country illegally? ( My internet is down now
[I'm
doing this offline] so I can't be sure) Reduce the number of illegal
going
into the ER, where they MUST be seen, and maybe the ER staff would not be
overwhelmed. Add to that the money spent on law suits, law suit
prevention
and lost money on illegal who skipped out on the payments and you probably
could build a new ER in a couple of years.

No matter weather they are rich, poor, young, old, wrong colour,
tourist, illegal immigrants, criminals etc. etc. They should be given
proper care in an emergenzy situation.

If you have 100 people in an ER 90 of which can barely speaky the engglesh
with 5 doctors, 2 of which have been working for 24+ hrs and one can just
speak English himself, to care for them bad things are going to happen.

I'm willing to bet if there is not some kind of legal reform you will be
seeing more and more hospitals shutting down their ER's in the next five
years.

 

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I'll point out again that the 'health care crisis' is really a legal

Over here, you cannot sue if you are acting against common sense, or
if is a common accident that accidentaly happened at a specific site.

Say, falling in the stairs where the stairs are like any other stair.
(If there were ice or water due to negligence, or slippery due to
wrong materials/constructions, you may have a case.)

What's even worse here in a lot of cases its cheaper to pay off the suer (if
that's a word) than it is to go to court.

 

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Beacuse we don't have confiscatory taxation like the socialist

I guess you are right about that.

But then again, you cannot look at the taxes without looking at what
they pay. (standard of police/fire/health departments etc.)

Its the give aways that upset most people. One example. Once you are in
the system it is difficult to get out. Say something happens and you cann't
work so you start getting $1,000 a month from the government to help your
family. Now when things get better and you try to help yourself by getting
a job that pays $500 per month. The government stops paying the entire
$1,000. So a person is better off not working. I have had people tell me
to my face that they could make more sitting at home than what I was going
to pay a new worker.

Also you have to look at weather the system is somewhat fair, and
honest. So that you do not pay more/less than another citizen with
same conditions (salary, deductions etc.)

The only true fair system is a flat tax. Everyone pays the same percentage
and no deductions.

 

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Guess thats the cost of living in constant fear, since those who have

To me that sounds like living in constant fear, assuming that danger
is just around the corner at all times.

Nope, being ready.

Hope you do not have kids in the house, even if they are well behaved.

Mom and dad raised three of them, my uncles raised 3 and 5. I've raised 2,
my brother 2 and my sister 2. Loaded guns kept in each house and no
problem.

I see your point, but it might have been possible to just scare them
away.

And have them comeback when I'm not at home and kill my animals?

I am assuming that if the chicken house and pigeon coop were properly
secured against cats and foxes, you would hear a lot of locomotion
before they got in. But then again - I do not have mutch experience
with either.

Which is my point. You think having loaded guns around is a bad thing no
matter what you have never thought that there are times when they are needed
much like a fire extinguisher. And like a fire extinguisher they are
nothing more than a tool that fills a need.

Quite an unknown situation for me. So I guess I would have been a bit
later in the same situation. But then again, horse may have kicked the
dog to death.

Might have but a dog is much harder to kick than you think. BTW, do you
live your life on 'might haves'? I don't.

I would probarbly go for traps or poison.

And take a chance of killing or injuring my own dogs and cats?

I am ignorant when it comes to the us gun laws. So what is the
"heaviest" weapon you can get without any hazzle?

Depends on what you mean heavy. IIRC, you can own a muzzle loading cannon
w/o any federal permit.

Again if I recall correctly you can own a breach loader below 20mm w/o a
permit.

What do you considder an assault weapon?

A selective fire weapon chambered for a medium powered round.

I considder any weapon that is made primarely to be used against other
humans, and can be fired at a rapid rate. Mainly millitary weapons or
millitary type weapons(rifles, not pistols).

IOW, anything that "looks bad". What is the difference between a .223 Rem
semiautomatic 'hunting rifle' and a Colt AR15? I'll give you a hint,
nothing but looks.

 

[Trygve Lillefosse]

The website is aidome dot com. The only damage they have had to their domes
is when a huge tree fell on one, chipped the concrete, and another had a two
horse trailer thrown into by a tornado, that cracked one panel and knocked a
chunk of concrete out.

I only found a lot of ads.

 

[Trygve Lillefosse]

Its the give aways that upset most people. One example. Once you are in
the system it is difficult to get out. Say something happens and you cann't
work so you start getting $1,000 a month from the government to help your
family. Now when things get better and you try to help yourself by getting
a job that pays $500 per month. The government stops paying the entire
$1,000. So a person is better off not working. I have had people tell me
to my face that they could make more sitting at home than what I was going
to pay a new worker.

I totaly agree that there has to be fairness in the system. Although,
to me is seems like $500/month is more like a slave contract. (If that
is full time.)

The only true fair system is a flat tax. Everyone pays the same percentage
and no deductions.

I agree in your main point, but look at it slightly different.
You need a certain amount just to survive, then to have some quality
in life etc. Meaning that the less you make the more your next dollar
will count, and vice versa. If you have a high income, you do not get
the same pleasure of another fistfull of dollars.

My ideal system is a flat rate with a pretty large deduction that is
given to everybody. Also, the tax rate should be the same no matter
where your income comes from (work/capital)

When there are a lot of deduction, there are often many loopholes that
are used by the rich and not by the poor/average.

 

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I build my new home it is going to be hurricane and fire proof

I only found a lot of ads.

Sorry, I lost an "S" in there. aidomes dot com

 

[Vaughn Simon]

Ain't it grand! I'm 47 and had mine paid for since 2001.
Of course I had to lose my mother to cancer to get it....
I wish I was still paying.....

Sorry. I lost my mother to TB before my teens and am facing end-of-life
issues with my father right now, so I know a bit of what you are feeling.

Don't feel ashamed about inheriting something valuable. I don't know where
you live, but in the US we unfortunately tend to look down our noses at
inherited wealth. I believe that attitude is greatly to our detriment as a
society. It seems to me that shared wealth between the generations should be
one of our most important "family values". With the cost of housing today, it
is a lot to expect that a person should be set out in life with little more than
an education and be expected to buy a house and raise a family like our own
marents probably did.

(This thread has come far adrift from refrigerators)

Vaughn

 

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***Including state, comunity(city) and health

I totaly agree that there has to be fairness in the system. Although,
to me is seems like $500/month is more like a slave contract. (If that
is full time.)

I just picked round numbers as an example. You can pick what ever number
you like, $500/month, $500/year, $500/day; the fact stands the system is set
up more as a trap than a help.

I agree in your main point, but look at it slightly different.
You need a certain amount just to survive, then to have some quality
in life etc. Meaning that the less you make the more your next dollar
will count, and vice versa. If you have a high income, you do not get
the same pleasure of another fistfull of dollars.

My ideal system is a flat rate with a pretty large deduction that is
given to everybody. Also, the tax rate should be the same no matter
where your income comes from (work/capital)

IOW, all animals are equal some animals are more equal than others. In your
system you are rewarding people for being poor and punishing those who work
harder than others.

Would it be fair if your boss gave everyone a bonus but he gives you less
because you make more because your job requires more skill than the guy who
sweeps the floor for minimum wage?

When there are a lot of deduction, there are often many loopholes that
are used by the rich and not by the poor/average.

Then you have the same system as today. The politicians having the ability
to use the system to buy votes. Who do you think would have the better
chance of be elected:

Pol #1: If elected I will raise the deduction for so that the workers can
have more money in their pockets AND will set the new definition of rich to
$500,000 per year to make sure the rich pay their fair share.

Pol #2: If elected I will work for a system that encourages people to raise
themselves up, to do this I will allow the hard working business people to
keep the same percentage of their money as their employees.

BTW, I have NEVER seen a poor person hiring employees (unless you count the
huge number of government workers out there 'helping' them.)