Yellow Glue strikes again

[Phil Allison]

** I had hoped that the dreaded Yellow Glue peril had gone away - but it is
still with us.

Most of you will have seen it holding parts down to PCBs on Asian made
equipment and many of those will have seen what happens if the parts
involved get hot.

The example on my bench is the SMPS from an Alesis powered monitor ( M1
Active, Chinese made) ) which has blown up big time because of the damn
Yellow Glue used to secure a ferrite toroidal coil. All the glue used had
gone brown or back ( ie carbonised ) on this coil and arced across nearby
tracks taking out the main switching MOSFET, its drive IC and associated
transistors, high speed diodes and even the AC bridge rectifier diodes.

The toroidal coil had to be un-wound, cleaned up and re-wound. The same glue
was attacking parts elsewhere on the board too ( it corrodes copper) and had
to be laboriously scraped off.

Are the dickheads who squirt this horrible goop all over PCBs NEVER going
to wake up ??



...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jeff Liebermann"

Is that hot melt glue or something else?

** So you do no repair work at all ?



..... Phil

 

[Jeffrey Angus]

Is that hot melt glue or something else?
Hot melt should, umm... melt, not burn.

No, this crap looks like 3M weather strip adhesive.
Sometimes it looks like it's applied sparingly, other times
it looks like it was put on with a caulking gun.

Jeff

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jeffrey Angus"

No, this crap looks like 3M weather strip adhesive.
Sometimes it looks like it's applied sparingly, other times
it looks like it was put on with a caulking gun.

** I've always wanted to know just WFT it really is !!

At first impression, it looks like ordinary contact adhesive - but it is
quick setting and dries to a hard surface. With time and heat it become tan
coloured and brittle. Then it goes toast brown and becomes corrosive and
conductive.

If coating the pins of an op-amp, the leakage current causes DC offsets and
crackling noises.

If coating small diodes and resistors etc - it will slowly eat the leads
right off.

If coating PCB tracks with hundreds of volts between them, the conduction
heats the glue directly until there is an explosion.

IME , a local ambient temp of about 55C is enough to set it off on its
pathway to hell.



..... Phil

 

[Jeffrey Angus]

** I've always wanted to know just WFT it really is !!

It's probably related to that crap rubber they love to use
for drive belts and such that turns to extremely sticky goo
that's next to impossible to clean off of everything it
touches.

Jeff

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jeff Liebermann"

Just answer the question.

** You are not a repair tech, or you would have seen it many times.

Always Asian made gear, from about the 1980s onwards.

TV sets, VCRs, SMPSs anything where the maker felt it was a good idea to
glue things to the PCB.

Do a Google search on this NG under " yellow glue".



...... Phil

 

[Jeffrey Angus]

"One component solvent resistant flame-retardant waterproof yellow
fixing adhesive glue for electronic components"

Odd, I read this: "Usage: Construction, Fiber & Garment, Footwear "

Jeff, but yeah, that sure looks like it.
Some of the stuff looks almost porous.

Jeff

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jeff Liebermann"

This description seems to fit:

<http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/482344777/One_component_solvent_resistant_flame_retardant.html>

"One component solvent resistant flame-retardant waterproof yellow
fixing adhesive glue for electronic components"

Note the photos. Is that it?

** Sure as heck looks like the vile stuff.

But the stuff has been in use for decades, firstly with Taiwanese made gear.

The specs quoted do not mention aging or the effects of temperature - so the
marketing is dishonest.

BTW:

the pics show the glue in its liquid state, when dry the surface is quite
dull.

To me, the pics are cringe worthy.

Like looking at pics of child abuse.



..... Phil

 

[N_Cook]

This description seems to fit:
<http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/482344777/One_component_solvent_resistant
_flame_retardant.html>
"One component solvent resistant flame-retardant waterproof yellow
fixing adhesive glue for electronic components"

Note the photos. Is that it? I'll do some more Googling later. Gotta
seperate my customers from their money.


--
# Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
# 831-336-2558
# http://802.11junk.com [email protected]
# http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS

That "Japanese" brown gloop made a comeback also, from my trepair briefs

Sherwood RD6106 tuner amp, may 2000 from front panel moulding
I though that hygroscopic brown glue stuff went out in the 70s. Used to
secure 12.288M crystal for the digital interface processor YSS912C-F , was
around its
pin and had rusted through at the epoxy bond.

 

[N_Cook]

If the brown hard-glue is the same as the yellow stuff. Is the progress to
destruction that it becomes hygroscopic going from yellow to brown and so
becomes conductive for CMOSSy sort of stuff but if HV around then conducts
enough to then carbonise and become ever more conductive?

 

[Cydrome Leader]

"Jeff Liebermann"


** You are not a repair tech, or you would have seen it many times.

Always Asian made gear, from about the 1980s onwards.

TV sets, VCRs, SMPSs anything where the maker felt it was a good idea to
glue things to the PCB.

Do a Google search on this NG under " yellow glue".

that stuff is pure shit.

 

[chuck]

** I had hoped that the dreaded Yellow Glue peril had gone away - but it is
still with us.

Most of you will have seen it holding parts down to PCBs on Asian made
equipment and many of those will have seen what happens if the parts
involved get hot.

The example on my bench is the SMPS from an Alesis powered monitor ( M1
Active, Chinese made) ) which has blown up big time because of the damn
Yellow Glue used to secure a ferrite toroidal coil. All the glue used had
gone brown or back ( ie carbonised ) on this coil and arced across nearby
tracks taking out the main switching MOSFET, its drive IC and associated
transistors, high speed diodes and even the AC bridge rectifier diodes.

The toroidal coil had to be un-wound, cleaned up and re-wound. The same glue
was attacking parts elsewhere on the board too ( it corrodes copper) and had
to be laboriously scraped off.

Are the dickheads who squirt this horrible goop all over PCBs NEVER going
to wake up ??



..... Phil

The rumor among techs in the U.S. when this stuff first showed up was
it was originally manufactured by Sony and it was known as "Sony
glue". Don't know if there was any truth to this or not. As Phil
said, it was in widespread use, for example: Mitsubishi televisions,
Adcom preamps and tuners, Yamaha receivers, Extron products and many
others which I can't recall off the top of my head. Chuck

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Is that hot melt glue or something else?
Hot melt should, umm... melt, not burn.

**No. It is a type of contact adhesive. It is still in widespread use, for
reasons I don't understand. Some, more enlightened manufacturers, use a
silicon type glue, which has a much higher burning temperature.

 

[Andrew Rossmann]

Are the dickheads who squirt this horrible goop all over PCBs NEVER going
to wake up ??

As long as it lasts through the warranty, they don't care.

 

[Meat Plow]

** I had hoped that the dreaded Yellow Glue peril had gone away - but it
is still with us.

Most of you will have seen it holding parts down to PCBs on Asian made
equipment and many of those will have seen what happens if the parts
involved get hot.

The example on my bench is the SMPS from an Alesis powered monitor ( M1
Active, Chinese made) ) which has blown up big time because of the damn
Yellow Glue used to secure a ferrite toroidal coil. All the glue used
had gone brown or back ( ie carbonised ) on this coil and arced across
nearby tracks taking out the main switching MOSFET, its drive IC and
associated transistors, high speed diodes and even the AC bridge
rectifier diodes.

The toroidal coil had to be un-wound, cleaned up and re-wound. The same
glue was attacking parts elsewhere on the board too ( it corrodes
copper) and had to be laboriously scraped off.

Are the dickheads who squirt this horrible goop all over PCBs NEVER
going to wake up ??



..... Phil

Yup been there in the past 30 some years. Lots of Chinese VCR SMPS. I
reckon that crap is a moisture trap that eventually leads to the demise
of chokes, coils etc..

 

[Alien]

Yup been there in the past 30 some years. Lots of Chinese VCR SMPS. I
reckon that crap is a moisture trap that eventually leads to the demise
of chokes, coils etc..

Aw, geez.

<smacks forehead>

It's not a 'moisture trap', you freaking retarded dildo muncher.

The glue gets carbonized due to excessive heat in the electrical
components, which makes the glue more conductive and more corrosive
(ie: it chemically changes the glue).

This causes havoc due to shorts (because it's conductive) and open
circuits (because it corrodes away circuit traces and component
leads).

Gawd but yer stupid.

'moisture trap'! Bwahahahaha!!!

Fixed yer .sig., stupid.

Yer welcome.

'moisture trap' <snigger>

The only 'moisture trap' is yer ass, and the only 'moisture' it
'traps' is the spooge of a thousand gay bikers, you old fat ugly
retard.


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WHO IS 'MEAT PLOW' from Alt.Usenet.Kooks (AUK)?

The obese, abusive, ugly, snaggle-toothed, giant-headed, stalking, gay
'bear' biker retard who likes to surf gay porn sites as 'BlancoBear'
while wearing only assless chaps:

William Malone Griffith, Jr.
(aka Milt, Meat Plow, BlancoBear, [email protected], Tripp)
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023

Some of this sick ****'s best work, and comments from others about
him:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.buzzard.rules/msg/f630759d6303a19d
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Meat Plow on a stalking holiday excursion, 15 to 22 Aug 2011:
--------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/03314ab006d88a5f
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date 06 Aug 2011
Title: Guess who is going to be in West Palm Beach?
"ME! Got a couple friends who invited me down for a few days. Shit
that's only 60 miles south of Melbourne LMAO!"

Nevermind that West Palm Beach, FL is 110 miles (not 60 miles) from
Melbourne, FL.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c1438fbeda11457f
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date 06 Aug 2011
Title: Guess who is going to be in West Palm Beach?
"Got my itinerary set on Expidia. Will be at PBI on August the 15th
at 11:30 am. Got a nice 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee reserved. I'm hoping
to make it up to Melbourne (Albatross hit my email) before the 20th
when I have to return."

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/43855b424693fa60
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Date 17 Aug 2011
Title: MEAT-PLOW LIED AGAIN! (and gets smacked down YET AGAIN!)
"I have several videos and pictures of him riding and what I'm sure
pie the location of his tent."

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/19e83b3eb6233fe2
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date 21 Aug 2011
Title: Emmy takes the day off.
"Well I leave tomorrow at around 7:am. Got some nice video and still
pix of the little shitty pants. There will be another Youtube video
soon"

Hmmm... only one and a half days 'visiting friends in West Palm Beach'
(if he was ever there to begin with), and the rest of his time in
Florida spent real-life stalking. He even extended his stay by two
days, so he could get in more stalking.
--------------------

Evidence that Meat Plow is William Malone Griffith, II:
--------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/5650f8e1e7dedefa
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b764
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/ef80aad2e7db945d
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
--------------------

Meat Plow personal info:
--------------------
Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955

Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
--------------------

--------------------
Photo of MeatPlow in Belden Village Music store (his sister's music
store):
(Note the guitars in the background, the planet-sized head,
the rotten-Chiclet teeth, and general look of retardation)
http://www.productwiki.com/william-malone-griffith-ii/lists/
http://images.productwiki.com/upload/images/william_malone_griffith_ii_avatar_1_0-150-150.jpg

Photo of William Malone Griffith, Jr. from uffnet.com:
(Note that it's the same person as in the photo above)
http://www.uffnet.com/library/headlines/images/news1376621745xlb.jpg

He's got his father's nose and eyes:
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/kentucky/guestbook.aspx?pid=2527782
http://mi-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2005-09/6966764.jpg
--------------------

Meat Plow email addresses:
--------------------
http://web.archive.org/web/20010305113423/http://www.k1hk.org/ugb_archive3.html
"Bill N8NCX [email protected]"

wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo = North East Ohio)
mhywattt at yahoo.com
mhywatt at yahoo.com
--------------------

Meat Plow's brushes with the law:
--------------------
1}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/crim...ss_first_name=William&pass_last_name=Griffith

2}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civi...?case_year_no=2009-3533&litigant_txt=Griffith
--------------------

Meat Plow quotes:
--------------------
Meat Plow, explaining that his computer has no Master Boot Record
because he runs Mandriva 2010, not Windows:
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
"Wouldn't know, it's been months since I've booted a Windoze OS."

Meat Plow describes his high-powered legal team:
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
"You know i have a legal team who specializes in internet law. And I
won't hesitate to get them in on the action."

Meat Plow losing his connection to reality, insinuating that he's law
enforcement:
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
"I could be LE posing as Meat Plow. It can't be dis-proven."

Meat Plow visits a massage parlor for a Happy Ending massage.
But they refused to give him a Happy Ending his second time there.
That explains why he's gay, he's so repulsive that he can't even PAY
for HAND JOBS from women.

http://www.clreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11679
"One time I got a HE, and the 2nd time I didn't. I was asked if I was
there both times and said I was. That's is why I didn't know if I said
something wrong the 2nd time which made me not get a HE."

Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
--------------------

Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?

Mother:
----------------------------.
Catherine & Angelo Griffith

4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-494-5785
'----------------------------'

Daughter:
----------------------------.
Julia M. Griffith

308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023
'----------------------------'

Sister:
----------------------------------------.
Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling
{ son Todd E. Werling (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) }
{ son Keith (Ft. Wayne, IN) }
{ grandson Easton }
{ grandson Zakary }
{ granddaughter Camella }

7704 Bisque Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501
260-489-6086
'----------------------------------------'

Sister:
----------------------------------------------.
Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera
{ daughter Christina }
{ daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) }
{ daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) }

5225 Echo Valley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-9702
----------------------------------------------
Belden Village Music Store
6787 Wales Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720
beldenvillagemusic.com
330-497-9292
----------------------------------------------
Rosalio B & Maria I Rivera
444 Wales Rd. NE
Massillon, OH 44646-5875
330-833-4291
----------------------------------------------
PO Box 35093
Canton, OH 44735
'----------------------------------------------'

Sister:
---------------------------------------.
Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell
{ son Richard }
{ son Christopher (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Brandon († 30 May 1996) }
{ daughter Erin }

6794 William Tell Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6546
330-497-7980
330-499-5107
---------------------------------------
PO Box 36473
Canton, OH 44735
'---------------------------------------'

Sister:
----------------------------------.
Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick
{ son Matthew }

3915 Harvard Ave NW
Canton, OH 44709-1538
330-493-5645
----------------------------------
Re/Max Edge Realty
North Canton / Massillon / Canton
Realtor Christine H. Vick

6929 Portage St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6535
330-236-5100
888-830-6509 (fax)
330-904-0883 (cell)
www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com
[email protected]
'----------------------------------'

Sister:
----------------------------.
Angela C. & Mark Warshefski

11 SE 12th St.
Pompano Beach, FL 33060
954-785-4716
----------------------------
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-942-0584
'----------------------------'

Cousin:
-------------------------.
Eddy Dailey

Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
-------------------------
Bergholz Financial Corp.
dba SuperMart
PO Box 545
524 Garfield St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------------'

Cousin:
--------------------.
Donna L. Dailey

524 5th St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2416
--------------------
Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
--------------------
Bergholz, OH EMT
'--------------------'

Cousin:
-------------------.
Bill & Joyce Leas
{ son Billy }

243 2nd St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------'

Niece:
---------------------------.
Rachel & Adam T. Livengood
{ son Lukas }
{ daughter Lauren }

6342 Palmer Dr. NW
Canton, OH 44718
330-497-7754
'---------------------------'

Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
--------------------------------.
William M. Griffith

between 3rd and 4th St.
between Monroe and Lincoln Ave.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2539
'--------------------------------'

What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
----------------------------.
David S. and Joan R. Shaner

2095 Waterbury Dr.
Uniontown OH 44312
330-699-4042
'----------------------------'

What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
-----------------------------------------.
Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation
aka Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration (defunct)
aka Ohio Kentucky Coal Company (defunct)

5112 Portage St. NW
Canton, OH 44720-6856
(330) 494-8810
(330) 497-7980
-----------------------------------------
110 E. Lowry Lane
Lexington, KY 40503
(800) BUY 4 OIL
(800) 289-4645
(859) 223-5656
(859) 223-5946
(859) 276-0699 (fax)
(859) 276-3500
(859) 276-4080
-----------------------------------------
http://www.ohiokentuckyoil.com
[email protected]
[email protected]
'-----------------------------------------'

----------
Oh, but wait, Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration is no longer incorporated in
Ohio:
Daddy Griffith's petrol exploration company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:384125

Nor are any of the other businesses yer daddy started. You let them
all fail:
Daddy Griffith's stables (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377966

Daddy Griffith's motel business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377965

Daddy Griffith's drilling company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:347837

Daddy Griffith's metals business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:552193

And Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation is on its last legs, inundated with
securities fraud lawsuits and EPA lawsuits. It's barred from
soliciting investors in Tennessee due to securities fraud, it's under
investigation in Ohio and Kentucky, it owns no oil assets or wells,
and it no longer does any of its own drilling. It'll be gone soon,
too.

And you've squandered everything Daddy Griffith earned from his
businesses, so yer now poor, adding insult to injury.
----------

You being poor is why you issued the following. You knew you didn't
have ten thousand dollars or so to defend yerself against yet another
lawsuit:

William Malone Griffith, II's grovelfest of an apology for being a
fucktard stauker:
==================================================
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/browse_thread/thread/8d753c94bd612f4e
http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3859383/meat_plow_exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c9fccf0d1ab26ace
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

Title: Apology to Charles Novins

The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:

Angela Griffith = Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister

Catherine Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother

Julia M. Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s daughter

Cheri Griffith = Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

Justin M. Griffith = ?

Kristy Griffith = Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister
-----
Questions yet to be answered:
Who is Justin M. Griffith?

Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?

Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?

If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?

Who is Deborah Ann Griffith?
-----
Who is Sherri Renee Christie, William D. Christie (age 54) and Lillie
L. Christie, and how are they associated with William Malone Griffith,
II?

1345 Bison St. NW
Massillon, OH 44647
330-833-5313 (Sherri)
330-837-4967 (William)

2524 Meadows Ave NW
Apt. 4
Massillon, OH 44647

PO Box 36221
Canton, OH 44735
-----
==================================================
It's time for a digital enema to flush this turd named William Malone
Griffith, II out of the system.

The exit is -.
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thataway

 

[Phil Allison]

"Alien"

It's not a 'moisture trap',

The glue gets carbonized due to excessive heat in the electrical
components, which makes the glue more conductive and more corrosive
(ie: it chemically changes the glue).

This causes havoc due to shorts (because it's conductive) and open
circuits (because it corrodes away circuit traces and component
leads).

** Correct.

The worst problems are always with gear that runs 24/7.

No chance for moisture ingress there.



..... Phil

 

[N_Cook]

Another miscreant is some formulation of conformal coating that over 20 or
30 years breaks down to an oil, either itself corrosive or hygroscopic and
then corrosive

 

[Meat Plow]

"Alien"


** Correct.

The worst problems are always with gear that runs 24/7.

No chance for moisture ingress there.

Just because gear runs 24/7 does not exempt the possibility of moisture
intrusion. Ask a marine electronics tech and get back to me. Bar that,
operating electronics in high humidity 24/7 holds no guarantee that it is
not exempt to moisture. Read the fucking manual for the operating
extremes if you doubt me.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Meat Plow = **** Head "
Phil Allison wrote:

Just because gear runs 24/7 does not exempt the possibility of moisture
intrusion.

** It does when the yellow glue areas are all permanently hot.

Try following the thread - fuckwit.



..... Phil