Ionized diffuser

[brasilmom]

Greetings,

This is my first time posting here, and I apologize in advance for my lack of knowledge.

I have an ionized essential oil diffuser that quit on me last week. Upon verification, I learned that the warranty just expired in August. Since there was some current still going through, I took the unit apart and was able to identify the part that is not working. However I do not know what the part is called and I have no idea where to find a replacement for it. IS anyone here able to identify and provide me with some guidance?

Thank you and have a wonderful day.

 

[Harald Kapp]

This is a piezo disk. How can you be sure that this is the defective part?
The disk needs to be controlled by a high frequency AC voltage. Chances are that the failure is within the unit generating the AC voltage, not with the piezo disc.

 

[brasilmom]

Thank you Harald. I tested the unit without this piece and it worked. I connect it and it does not work. All the other connections work, except when this is in place. Now, I cannot be sure, and my conclusion is solely based on this fact that when this piece is plugged the unit does not operate. Based on that, is it safe to say that the piece is at fault? And if the piece is at fault, is it something I can find a replacement easily?

 

[Harald Kapp]

I tested the unit without this piece and it worked.

What worked? I would have expected that the piezo is used to generate a fine mist from whatever substance you put into the unit.
An exactly fitting replacement may be difficult to come by. check the wires to the piezo first. Does ever wire have a good connection from teh disk toi the connector? Use an ohmmeter to verify,
You may also try to attach the piezo to the output of an mp3 player. Don't expect hifi, but if the piezo is working, you should be able to hear at least a semblance of the music playing.

 

[brasilmom]

There is a fan that I was able to power when the piezo is not connected. The light that the unit has also works without the piezo plugged. If the piezo is plugged neither light or fan works. The wires appear to be in good connection shape. I will check the piece and see if I can find anything else out. Thank you for your help and education.

 

[73's de Edd]

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brasilmom . . . . . . . . . . .( ehhhhh . . . . .Mom . . . . . ¿ É a sua língua principal português?


I also believe that your "problem" is that units transducer, and at the power level that you are requiring for your application, would be the utilizing of an activator unit of the of Pb barium titanate family.
Also, that level of power will be requiring on up into the kilovolt(s) region of static driving level.
Your unit has developed "punch through" / arcing and the ultrasonic generator + power supply is responding by loading down.
It can't handle the increased current . . . . . ma's instead of microamps . . . . . that those arcs are demanding.

I can't see an ohmmeter revealing this at all unless there is a remote chance of a slight carbon trail having developed . . . . I don't think so.
This unit has a big brother in design concept in the manner of a household or hospitals ultrasonic vaporizer.
And another BIG brother would be in the manner of a power ultrasonic cleaner .
Another BIG brother would be a stress / flaw detector for metals.

BUT, your units transducer excitation power falls within that "household or hospitals ultrasonic vaporizer" category.
So look into getting a replacement power transducer from your units manufacturer or a unit from a household or hospitals ultrasonic vaporizer.

It also looks like your unit has an electro-mechanical flaw, in respect of the portion of the SS metal emitter being pulled away and warped and not being bonded to the PBT for about 1/4 of the distance away from the YELLOW wire.
This wrecks SEVERE havoc by not having that portion being mechanically coupled, and mainly, the shifting of the resonance of the transducer from matching to the incoming power drive frequency.
Effective efficiency may drop all the way down to 10%.

If you would send more photos of the main units guts and the units brand and model number , more exacting info for a transducer replacement might be attained by us.
Also give the line voltage and WATTAGE, as read from the label on the unit .

Thasssssit . . . . . .


73's de Edd


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[brasilmom]

Indeed, Portuguese is my first language... and I must say that was the extend of my understanding of your post. I am sorry.

Anyway, I took pictures to perhaps help me understand what you just described above. I am going to let my husband read and see if he can put that in lay's people language.



This shows where the piezo piece is connected.






Housing for the electronics and switch.



Top part and the light wiring, which if connected to the base, while the piezo piece is not connected, does light up



Whole unit.


The piezo disk, when lodged into the unit can be seen at this location. The unit is involved by a rubber gasket which are all located in the bottom part of the top part of the unit. Clear as mud?

 

[Harald Kapp]

and I must say that was the extend of my understanding of your post. I am sorry.

No need to feel sorry, that post is indeed rather detailed - but correct nonetheless. The essence is that the piezo may have kind of a short circuit (Ed's "punch through") that will overload the driving circuit (too much currrent) so the unit shuts down.

The recommendation is to "gett a replacement power transducer from your units manufacturer or a unit from a household or hospitals ultrasonic vaporizer."

 

[73's de Edd]

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brasilmom . . . . . . . . . . .



So now we know what your specific unit looks like and how it performs:

or / and

( I wonder if the vapors will put profuse fine hair growth on your forearm, as in the the first videos still picture ? )

I have now viewed the circuit board electronics on your unit and see no high voltage related step up, and research shows some units working from as low as 5V ultrasonic drive level.
So, as suspicioned, you just seem to have a bad transducer.
The Young Living Distributors seem to have NO technical parts supply, they just SELL new units or SWAP out in warranty units .
The only transducer source seems to be the original manufacturing source in China, where they are catering to you with replacement transducers.
BUT you are going to need minimal technical help in the respect of getting the assistance of some LOCAL person that is technically astute enough to perform this test :

(WITHOUT the transducer being plugged in) Use his /her triggered oscilloscope and loosely couple its probe to the lead of the transducer plug, which produces the greatest signal output.
Measure the time period between one cycle of the ultrasonic signal and pass on that information to interpret the operational frequency of your unit.

BECAUSE one needs to match the new transducer to the same frequency that the Young Living ultrasonic drive signal is operating on.
Of the transducers being offered, I see, some are operating at 40 KHZ, some at 60 KHZ and some even go up into the low RF range of 1.7 MHZ.

Using these supply sources, and weeding out the ones that require 15/30 100 units minimum purchase quantity, is the only CHEAP repair sourcing.
Plus they seem to suggest that the norm lifespan of a transducer is in the 5000 hour usage time frame. So some spares might be in order.
FIO . . . . . Letting one run DRY, with out the wet loading, will impair its lifespan.

Transducer supply sources :

http://www.dhgate.com/product/high-...-maker-25-mm/255608012.html#s1-2-1b|655240122

http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/ultrasonic+humidifier+transducer.html

http://www.aliexpress.com/popular/ultrasonic-humidifier-transducer.html




73's de Edd

( Now, do duly note, that "spel chek" just TOTALLY gave up, on all of the forthcoming )

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Oh, agora para o seu Português:

or / and

(Eu me pergunto se os vapores vai colocar profusa crescimento do cabelo fino em seu antebraço, como nos primeiros vídeos imagem estática?)

Agora eu já viram os placa de circuito elecronics na sua unidade e não vejo alta tensão de passo relacionado para cima, ea pesquisa mostra algumas unidades de trabalho de tão baixo quanto 5V nível de unidade ultra-sônica.
Assim, como suspicioned, você só parecem ter um mau transdutor.
Os jovens que vivem Distribuidores parecem não ter fornecimento de peças técnicas, eles apenas vender novas unidades ou trocar em unidades de garantia.
A única fonte ransducer parece ser a fonte original de fabricação na China, onde são buffet com transdutores de substituição.
MAS você vai precisar de ajuda técnica mínima no que diz respeito recebendo o assistane de alguma pessoa local que é tecnicamente astuto o suficiente para realizar este teste:
(Sem transdutor a ser conectado) Use seu / sua oscillicosope acionado e vagamente casal sua sonda para a liderança da ficha do transdutor, que produz a maior saída de sinal.
Medir o período de tempo entre um ciclo do sinal ultra-sônico e transmitir essa informação para interpretar a freqüência operacional de sua unidade.

PORQUE é necessário para corresponder ao novo transdutor para a mesma frequência que o sinal ultra-sônico Jovens Vivendo unidade está a funcionar com.
Dos transdutores que estão sendo oferecidos, eu vejo, alguns estão operando a 40 KHZ, alguns a 60 KHZ e alguns até mesmo ir para cima na gama baixa de RF de 1,7 MHZ.

Usando estas fontes de abastecimento, e eliminando os que exigem 15/30 100 unidades de quantidade mínima de compra, é o único abastecimento de reparo barato.
Além disso, eles parecem sugerir que o tempo de vida normal de um transdutor está no uso de calendário de 5000 horas. Por isso, algumas peças pode estar em ordem.
FIO. . . . . Deixando um funcionamento seco, com a carga molhada, irá prejudicar a sua vida útil.

Fontes de abastecimento de transdutor:

http://www.dhgate.com/product/high-...-maker-25-mm/255608012.html#s1-2-1b|655240122

http://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/ultrasonic+humidifier+transducer.html

http://www.aliexpress.com/popular/ultrasonic-humidifier-transducer.html


de Edd


E. . . .a primeira comunicação


Eu também acredito que o seu "problema" é que as unidades de transdutor, e ao nível de potência que você está exigindo para a sua aplicação, seria a utilização de uma unidade de ativador da família de Pb titanato de bário.
Além disso, esse nível de energia estará exigindo-se sobre para a região quilovolts (s) de nível de condução estática.
A sua unidade tem desenvolvido "perfurar" / arco e gerador + fornecimento de energia ultra-sônica está respondendo ao carregar para baixo.
Ele não pode lidar com o aumento atual. . . . . ma de, em vez de microamps. . . . . que esses arcos são exigentes.

Eu não consigo ver um ohmímetro revelar isso em tudo menos que haja uma chance remota de um leve rastro de carbono tendo desenvolvido. . . . Acho que não.
Esta unidade tem um irmão mais velho no conceito de design na forma de um agregado familiar ou hospitais vaporizador ultra-sônica.
E outro irmão BIG seria na forma de um poder limpador ultra-sônico.
Outro irmão BIG seria um detector de tensão / falha para os metais.

MAS, o seu poder de unidades de transdutor de excitação cai dentro dessa categoria "doméstico ou hospitais de ultra-som vaporizador".
Então, olhar para obter um transdutor de energia de substituição do fabricante de unidades ou uma unidade a partir de um agregado familiar ou hospitais vaporizador ultra-sônica.

Também parece que sua unidade tem uma falha de electro-mecânica, no que respeita à parte do metal emissor SS sendo afastou e deformado e não sendo ligado ao PBT por cerca de 1/4 da distância do fio AMARELO.
Isso destrói estragos GRAVE por não ter a parte que está sendo acoplado mecanicamente e, principalmente, o deslocamento da ressonância do transdutor de correspondência para a frequência de alimentação de entrada.
Eficiência eficaz pode cair todo o caminho até a 10%.

Se você enviar mais fotos das principais unidades coragem ea unidades de marca e modelo número, info mais exigente para uma substituição transdutor pode ser alcançado por nós.
Dar também a tensão da linha e potência, como ler a partir do rótulo da unidade.

tchau . . . . . .

 

[brasilmom]

Thank you both for the very educational information. I am amazed at how much knowledge people can accumulate. Now I looked up the specs sheet and it says that the operating frequency:
2.5±0.07 MHz, rated power: AC100V-AC240V 50/60HZ/24V 750mA, rated power: 18W (max).

Would that help at all in finding a replacement piezo disk? I would mind purchasing a lot, this way I can have a replacement if needed.

We do not have an oscilloscope readily available, but I may be able to run to a local electronic supply store and see if they can test the unit. Unless, with the specs we are able to weed out and find the ideal replacement.

I am not sure, and highly doubt, that the vapors cause hair growth. But, one can always try. Thank you for the translated version.... I still remain discombobulated by all the technical information provided.... in either language.

Thank you so much and I appreciate your help.

 

[73's de Edd]

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Sra . . . . . .brasilmom

ITS A MIRACLE ! . . . . . . . that the data sheet ACTUALLY gave the frequency of operation of the unit, which is 2.5 MHZ.
Soooooooooooo . . . . .no oscilloscope research is now being neccessary for its operaitng frequency verification.

Let me now consult with " most honnable Chinee engineering " to find out the efficiency shift of using a commonly available 1.7 MHZ unit.
Or . . . .OR . . . . if they might have some 2.5 units OR know of some OTHER source that makes that frequency of unit.

A question now, for you.

Did that unit have a vinyl /or / silicone rubber sleeve around it for sealing, and is there a chance that you pulled on the wires in getting it out, accounting
for the slight warping of that transducers, otherwise flat, faceplate ?

Your:
I am not sure, and highly doubt, that the vapors cause hair growth.

I was just messing with your mind.

73's de Edd


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Brasil . . .Brasil . . .Oh meu Brasil !


É UM MILAGRE ! . . . . . . . que a ficha de dados realmente deu a freqüência de operação da unidade, que é de 2,5 MHZ.
Soooooooooooo. . . . .no pesquisa osciloscópio está agora a ser necessário marcar para a sua verificação frequência operaitng.

Deixa-me consultar com "mais honnable engenharia Chinee" para descobrir a mudança de eficiência de utilização de uma unidade de 1,7 MHZ comumente disponíveis.
Or. . . .OR. . . . se eles podem ter algumas 2,5 unidades ou sabe de alguma outra fonte que faz com que a frequência da unidade.

A questão agora, para você.

Será que essa unidade tem um vinil / ou manga de borracha / silicone em torno dele para a selagem, e há uma chance de que você puxou os fios em começá-lo para fora, representando
para a ligeira curvatura do que os transdutores, de outra forma plana, faceplate?

Seu:

Não tenho a certeza, e duvido muito, que os vapores provocar o crescimento do cabelo.

Eu estava apenas brincando com a sua mente.

de Edd . . . .

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[brasilmom]

Sr. de Edd,

I think I am getting the hang of all this technical language, thank you.

The link to the suppliers you provided earlier, they will not have the frequency needed, correct? I will verify if there is a local store that carries this piezo disk, now that I have a bit more information.

Now, to your question: The disk was enveloped in a silicone or rubber sleeve of sort, which was not photographed. The bending on the silver that you see, it was my doing after removing the disk from the sleeve. On removal the unit was intact, but still not operating. The wires themselves are intact, as far as I can tell on both the disk and the connector.

As for my answer to the hair growth, I knew this was a joke, but nonetheless I did not wish to keep your hopes up!

Thank you so much. Oh, the translations are getting a bit better.

 

[brasilmom]

I want to post an update on this repair. I was able to get hold of another unit that was also not working. I took the piezo disk off and put on my unit, which is now working. The other unit, however, is not looking too good. The circuit board has some rust spots and I think that it rendered the unit useless. Is it possible to remove the rust and restore the board? I am looking around if I can purchase a new board from Young Living.

Anyway, if the board can be cleaned, please help me to know how to do it. Thank you so much. This was very educational!

 

[pgib8]

I've had 2 similar units myself and they sure didn't last long either. At least write a product review to warn others.
Even if you restore the other board, you will still only have 1 working piezo transducer.

 

[brasilmom]

I've had 2 similar units myself and they sure didn't last long either. At least write a product review to warn others.
Even if you restore the other board, you will still only have 1 working piezo transducer.

I heard several people had problem with the unit not lasting. I will write a review to have others know what they are getting.

Indeed, I only have 1 working unit and I am not able to find the piezo. Not sure if or how to have the board restored.