Yes, changing Vbe does change Ic ,,, which changes Vce.
Is Vbe an indicator of Ic? In the example attached I can change Ic which changes Vce, but Vbe does not change.
We cannot derive Ic or Vce from Vbe. Certainly Ib or Vb changes Ic and Vce, but I don't see how we can calculate Ie or Vce by...