cake water fountain help

daveyballs

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hi i bought a cake water fountain from usa and it had a ei core 120v /33v inside ...

so i took this 120v out and changed with a ei core 220v/9v ..its powers up and the leds etc come on ,, but the water pump wont push the water up ,,very little power ...

so next i tryed to use a old scanner charger 220v/24v .. but this lights the leds but is not even getting the water pump to work .. strange id have thought going from 9v to 24v would give it loads of power etc
 

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Alec_t

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If it's designed to be powered by 33V, then it's not surprising it won't work properly with only 24V ;).
 

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So why does the ei core 9v try work the pump and the 24v charger won't make pump come on .. ?? Bit confused
 

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The 24V charger may not have enough output current capability to run the pump. If you try to draw too much current the charger may go into self-protect mode and shut down.
 

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You have answers over in your "double post" ........(help needed please)
Chiefs here tend to frown on this.....
 

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So why does the ei core 9v try work the pump and the 24v charger won't make pump come on .. ?? Bit confused
See my response on your other (duplicate) post, repeated below. Please refrain from posting the same question or problem more than once.

Short answer: the pump is an AC induction motor. It does not run on DC.
Long answer: copied from your other post below.

You have two choices: (1) Purchase a step-down transformer that converts your 240 VAC mains to 115 VAC and mount this transformer externally, re-connecting the original transformer inside the base that converts 115 VAC to 33 VAC and powering this original transformer from the external step-down transformer. (2) Find a step-down transformer that converts your 240 VAC mains to 33 VAC and replace the original transformer with this new transformer. From a practical point of view option (1) is the quickest and simplest solution. You are not likely to find the transformer required to implement option (2).

You cannot connect any sort of DC power supply (which is what the black brick in IMG_3633.JPG is!) to your cake water fountain. The LEDs obtain their power from circuitry operating from the 33 VAC secondary of the original transformer. The water pump is a shaded-pole AC induction motor and requires 60 Hz alternating current at 33 VAC for proper operation. It will probably work okay (at reduced speed) on 50 Hz, but it definitely will not work properly at 9 VAC with the transformer shown in IMG_3630.JPG.

Option (3): You could purchase four of these transformers and connect their secondary windings in series, paying proper attention to phasing, to obtain 36 VAC. You would connect the four primary windings in parallel of course to operate all four transformers from 240 VAC. I have no faith that you will be able to determine how to connect the secondary windings in series in a manner that causes their voltages to add, so I cannot seriously recommend this as an option. Four of these transformers will probably not fit inside your base so they would have to be mounted externally. That brings us back to option (1) using the original transformer and an external step-down transformer.

However, if you want to use four 240 VAC to 9 VAC transformers, we can instruct you on how to properly wire the secondaries in a series-aiding manner to obtain 36 VAC.

Good luck with the wedding preparations... and try not to burn the reception hall down with an electrical fire!
 

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I like hevans above:)

I spent some time answering on the other thread whic would not accept my addition. What a waste of time.
As I said before, you can get transformers with a split primary so that it is possible to get a half voltage out without using the secondary.
Transformers are available to do the voltage conversion with US sockets on them.

I have made a box for an isolating transformer with 120V US socket and 240V UK socket, you could borrow this if you get stuck and you live not too far away.

The easiest solution is to get married in the US.
 

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i live birmingham .. can send me links to any device i can use to do this cheers
 

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What is the VA/current rating of your fountain and/or existing 33V transformer?
 

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I have had a look at CPC.co.uk. They have a 240V to 110V 45W transformer. PW9402 £4-19 with free postage over £5 so you may wish to get something else as well. VAT will be added.

Check that 45W is sufficient and that you can put the gubbins back to original.
You will need a US plug to match the socket.

There are other suppliers as well.
 

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Photo 1 shows the transformer which is likely to drive the electronics. The motor for the pump is likely to be supplied direct from the mains. You need to find the overall power consumption to use a voltage convertor.

RS have the same transformer at a slightly increased cost but you may have an RS near you
Maplin do not seem to do one.
Cricklewood Electronics have a 100VA voltage convertor transformer for £19. TAE100
 

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Photo 1 shows the transformer which is likely to drive the electronics. The motor for the pump is likely to be supplied direct from the mains. You need to find the overall power consumption to use a voltage convertor.

RS have the same transformer at a slightly increased cost but you may have an RS near you
Maplin do not seem to do one.
Cricklewood Electronics have a 100VA voltage convertor transformer for £19. TAE100

If you look closely at photo 3 you will see the voltage on the side of the motor as 30VAC 50Hz
 

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i thought maybe this would work ...what do u all think ??

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Output-AC...230727?hash=item43e2580f47:g:d~kAAOSwQPlV8Ftw

thanks for all help everyone and ideas and suggestions

Wow...overkill
How about 2 of these shown below.
Connect the 2 primary windings in parallel and the 2 secondary windings in series.
You will of course have to check with a multimeter the secondary output as they will have to be the correct sequence.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AC-220V-...Transformer-/331717563471?hash=item4d3be8544f
 

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Wow...overkill
How about 2 of these shown below.
Connect the 2 primary windings in parallel and the 2 secondary windings in series.
You will of course have to check with a multimeter the secondary output as they will have to be the correct sequence.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AC-220V-...Transformer-/331717563471?hash=item4d3be8544f


blue jets ..would that work http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Output-AC...943761?hash=item43e2446c11:g:HcYAAOSwHjNV7lJG

this multi output so maybe this would work
 

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blue jets ..would that work http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Output-AC...943761?hash=item43e2446c11:g:HcYAAOSwHjNV7lJG

this multi output so maybe this would work

Yes, that should work but at a cost as it is much more expensive and about 6 times larger than you need.

You will have to carefully select the right connections.

Primary has a choice of either 380V or 240V input and secondary also has many choices, you need the 36V output.

It's a multi-tapping output so starting with 0V connection, then 6.3V then 12V then 24V then 36V so you need to connect between 0V and 36V which I imagine, looking at the photo would be terminals 0 and 5.
BUT, follow the instruction on what is what connection.

As with all things mains powered, get an electrician to check as there may be a requirement to earth certain parts AND run the device on a safety switch.
 
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