Church told to hang own fire panel

[Tommy]

Until you've been involved in church work you
wouldn't understand. By the way, by "on staff"
I did not mean to imply "on salary." In our case
these were volunteer staff. We had over 100
people working at any given time but only a few
were paid employees. This is quite common
among growing, modern churches.

I have been involced with church work. i was on the building comittee for
my church. We wisely involved a professional architect to design it rather
than use someone from inside the church. we ended up with a better building
than we would have had otherwise. And there were plenty of capable people
in the church to call on. we just felt that to get the best job done we
should go with a professional that dealt with our type job on a regular
basis.

 

[Tommy]

I'll send flowers. What was his name?


Best you give this one up, Pete. No one
believes you.

I'm curious as to why you think the rep would not work on the weekend never
had to deal with Edwards, but i have dealt with others. To get any factory
person to work the weekend, all it takes is time and money. if you put out
the money they will put in the time. It happens all the time. Petem's
situation as he has told would be a textbook case for a factory tech to be
working from "can to can't"

 

[Robert L Bass]

I have been involced with church work. i was on
the building comittee for my church. We wisely
involved a professional architect to design it rather
than use someone from inside the church...

That is totally different from alarm work. Architecture
is a profession. Alarm installing is a trade and a
relatively simple one at that.

we ended up with a better building than we would
have had otherwise...

Without an architect to design it you probably
wouldn't have built anything at all. However, there
are architectural firms that offer standardized church
plans for people who don't want to pay for a custom
design.

And there were plenty of capable people in the
church to call on. we just felt that to get the best
job done we should go with a professional that
dealt with our type job on a regular basis.

The same would apply if you needed cancer surgery.
You would hire a doctor -- not do it yourself. OTOH,
if all you had was a splinter you'd DIY it like everyone
else does.

Alarm installation is to architecture as splinter
removal is to surgery.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Robert L Bass]

I'm curious as to why you think the rep

would not work on the weekend never
had to deal with Edwards, but i have
dealt with others...

I have dealt with Edwards. In fact, they
hired my company to design software for
the FireShield series of fire alarm control
panels.

To understand the other side of this you
need to know a little about how Petem,
Olson and a few others "debate" in ASA.
They make up absurd stories to "prove"
their absurd points. It's SOP. Petem is
no more nor less dishonest than the rest.
He's just less intelligent.

To get any factory person to work the
weekend, all it takes is time and money...

It was easier and cheaper to just make it
up and pretend it proved his point.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Robert L Bass]

At this point it's down to abouit 30% which

I am glad to hear things are looking up for you.
Keep up the good work.

Thanks. It's probably more about attitude than
anything else. I'm no super hero. When I got
the news it was scary. I gave a lot of thought to
what I wanted to say to various loved ones and
things I want to do that I've not made time for
in the past, that sort of thing.

I also gave thought to what things I don't want
to waste time or energy doing.

Before my regular doctor confirmed it was cancer
I was pretty certain that was what I had just from
the way the other doctors beat around the bush
when they saw the scan. I made up my mind to
fight it and that meant using everything available
to me.

I'm fortunate to have solid medical coverage here
in the US as well as in Brazil. More important, I
have a very supportive wife and family who are
helping me every step of the way.

I got through the worst part. The surgery was
awful -- tubes the size of small garden hoses in
my chest for six days (yetch!). I was left with
two permanently broken ribs and 25% less
lung so I'm always out of breath. But that was
nothing compared to chemo. I wouldn't wish that
experience on anyone (not even Jim).

OK, so much for the bad part. These days I'm
feeling much better -- not strong yet but getting
there. I can walk much farther than I could
before and I'm hoping to get back to bicycling
soon. Most important, the doctor says there's
no sign of cancer left. It'll be another 4+ years
before I can be sure but supposedly I'm pretty
much in the clear.

I might live another 40 years just to annoy Jim. :^)

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Tommy]

That is totally different from alarm work. Architecture
is a profession. Alarm installing is a trade and a
relatively simple one at that.


Without an architect to design it you probably
wouldn't have built anything at all. However, there
are architectural firms that offer standardized church
plans for people who don't want to pay for a custom
design.


The same would apply if you needed cancer surgery.
You would hire a doctor -- not do it yourself. OTOH,
if all you had was a splinter you'd DIY it like everyone
else does.

Alarm installation is to architecture as splinter
removal is to surgery.

I don't agree. You are entitled to your opinion as i am mine. Proper
design and implementation of a security system is a profession.

any one could buy a simple home planning software from walmart and print
off a set of house plans. It's not rocket sience. they might even be
happy with the way it looks when it's done. But was it done to code? will
the AHJ sign off on a coo?

There is always a need for the professionals, and there will always be
those who want to DIY.Sometimes it is better to let the pro's do what
they do. Especially when you are talking about a life safety system. I
would not want to take that liability on from a DIY standpoint. I belive
that there are people with the necessary skills to put in an alarm
system, but not everyone has them, not even with a couple of hours of
phone support.

 

[Tommy]

"

I have dealt with Edwards. In fact, they
hired my company to design software for
the FireShield series of fire alarm control
panels.

I have lurked for a couple of years, so i have seen the little girl slap
fight ya'll have every so often.

I have worked in the industrial world longer than i have the alarm
business, so i have dealt with a lot of companies and factory reps.

If Edwards is like most other companies, with large dollars comes big
concessions. If you want a factory rep on weekend nights and arewillling to
pay the travel and labor. they will be there. espiaclly if the want to keep
selling large jobs.

Like i said before all it takes is time and money.

 

[Jim]

That is precisely the point I've been making
for the past eight or nine years in this newsgroup.
However, there are a number of folks whose
living depends on the public believing that alarm
work is brain surgery.

And then of course there's you who lies to end users
dupes them into buying from you so that you can
"guide" them into installing systems of unknown
quality or reliability.

 

[Frank Olson]

Like i said before all it takes is time and money.

Which is basically what I (and Pete) said... But Bass has a Bone to
pick with some of the regulars here... So, he'll keep "pickin'"...
This, of course, doesn't mean he wants to fight. His new "method"
involves what I call "hit and ignore"...

 

[Norm Mugford]

Welllll,

Now it also could have been the wind blowing in one ear and out the
other.

Ya see, he always thought that when he went to the beach, people came
over to give him a hug. They were really just trying to "hear the
ocean" in his head.

I'm shocked at your comment Jim.......You're wrong!
They were really just trying to paying thier last respects,
not trying to hear the ocean.

Norm Mugford





I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html

 

[Jim]

I'm shocked at your comment Jim.......You're wrong!
They were really just trying to paying thier last respects,
not trying to hear the ocean.

Norm Mugford

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Well, I did consider that, but I kind of think that there isn't anyone
who would respect him so it had to be the ocean thing.

 

[Petem]

I'll send flowers. What was his name?


Best you give this one up, Pete. No one
believes you.

No you don't believe me

What I find most interesting in this commentary of your is that you think
that what you say here is what every one think...

Come on bAss you are not and will never be the spirit of this group...

 

[Robert L Bass]

I'll send flowers. What was his name?

No you don't believe me

Correct. No one else capable of thought does either.

What I find most interesting in this commentary of your is that you think that what you say here is what every one think...

Naah. Those incapable of thought might believe anything you make up as long as it's anti-DIY.

Come on bAss you are not and will never be the spirit of this group...

This is a newsgroup. It doesn't have a spirit.

 

[Petem]

I have dealt with Edwards. In fact, they
hired my company to design software for
the FireShield series of fire alarm control
panels.

To understand the other side of this you
need to know a little about how Petem,
Olson and a few others "debate" in ASA.
They make up absurd stories to "prove"
their absurd points. It's SOP. Petem is
no more nor less dishonest than the rest.
He's just less intelligent.


It was easier and cheaper to just make it
up and pretend it proved his point.

Ok fatso you wanted to know,well here it come

First I,ve been working for Protectron In St_Leonard for the last 14 years..

There address used to be 9120 Pascal-Gagnon In St-Leonard

Now its 8481 Langelier Again In St-Leonard

you can call there and ask about Pierre Martel..if you cant figure it out
that's me. Pete for Pierre And M for Martel..

My email address at the office

pierre.martel @ protectron.com

you can check there web site,but be careful you could fall on some French
page..and that could disturb you and some of the more obtuse here...

by the way you wont be able to mess with what my boss think of me...cause he
knows about what I post here...
And he wont loose his time with looser like you...

just a little note we are part of UE Waterheater Income Fund ,witch bought
Voxcom a few week ago..this will add another central to our the 4 we
allre4ady have in Canada...St-Leonard(Montreal),Quebec,Ottawa and Vancouver

hope you will have fun trying to figure out some stuff...

but be careful..its not because I gave here my personal information that I
wont react if you try to put my name in dirt...its not because I am not in
the USA that I wont sue you...

 

[Petem]

Putting a system on fire watch is expensive, especially around here. I
have
seen contractors that love to push and cut corners get whacked hard.

Well,the contractor will receive a heavy bill for the security guard...

the Edwards rep(now GE security) gave the all ok flag yesterday,I got the ok
to plug my electromagnet today,and made a few test just to be sure...

 

[Robert L Bass]

First I,ve been working for Protectron

In St_Leonard for the last 14 years..

Am I supposed to care who you work for?

There address used to be 9120
Pascal-Gagnon In St-Leonard

Now its 8481 Langelier Again In
St-Leonard

Nicer neighborhood?

you can call there and ask about Pierre
Martel..if you cant figure it out that's me.
Pete for Pierre And M for Martel..

And you figure this is important to me
because...???

My email address at the office

pierre.martel @ protectron.com

you can check there web site...

The pages jump from left to center when
you click some of the links. It looks like
someone threw it together pretty quickly.
Also, the use of locked table sizes makes
the text difficult to read at anything other
than the original (very small) type sizes.

but be careful you could fall on
some French page...

We had a congressman who fell on a few
pages.

and that could disturb you and some of the
more obtuse here...

I'm not a francophobe. You're confusing me
with another obtuse poster.

by the way you wont be able to mess with
what my boss think of me...cause he knows about what I post here...

I've no reason to try to harm you.

And he wont loose his time with looser
like you...

That's "loser," not "looser."

just a little note we are part of UE Waterheater
Income Fund ,witch bought Voxcom a few week
ago..this will add another central to our the 4 we allre4ady have in Canada...St-Leonard(Montreal),
Quebec,Ottawa and Vancouver

Your company protects a waterheater company?
How impressive.

hope you will have fun trying to figure out some
stuff...

Which stuff, the water heater outfit or the central
stations?

but be careful..its not because I gave here my
personal information that I wont react if you try
to put my name in dirt...its not because I am not
in the USA that I wont sue you...

Oh, ok. :^)

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Frank Olson]

The pages jump from left to center when
you click some of the links. It looks like
someone threw it together pretty quickly.
Also, the use of locked table sizes makes
the text difficult to read at anything other
than the original (very small) type sizes.

And several of your pages point to blanks... but then I figure that's
what you've been shootin' all along anyway...

 

[Doug]

Petem's company has a factory tech out on the weekend and that, in your
narrow mind makes him anti-DIY?.

Doug

 

[Frank Olson]

Robert L Bass wrote:

To understand the other side of this you
need to know a little about how Petem,
Olson and a few others "debate" in ASA.
They make up absurd stories to "prove"
their absurd points. It's SOP.

I really can't top your post about programming a Napco LCD keypad to
read "Attention Burglar!. Go Ahead Make My Day." In fact, I doubt
anyone here can.

Then there's the one where you insisted the correct spelling of
"aileron" was really "aeleron"... "angle of attack of the wind" and
"negative lift" are also classic "Bassisms".

 

[Frank Olson]

Petem's company has a factory tech out on the weekend and that, in your
narrow mind makes him anti-DIY?.

Doug

It's the "service charge" that makes it all "anti-DIY".