Computer virus shuts down Ambulance dispatch service

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terryc

Jan 1, 1970
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Don said:
FULL means FULL.

Your "backup service is definitely nota FULL backup system.
My service provider backs up my FULL server
(http://server.the-wizard-from-oz.com/) every 4 hours, and saves 30 days
of these backups. The system is capable of providing hundreds of
recovery points per day. I have access to restore a backup, from any
point at any time.

And I'm running a 2 bob shopping cart, not a life critical ambulance
dispatch system.

So don't compare them.
Think network.
 
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Don McKenzie

Jan 1, 1970
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Your "backup service is definitely nota FULL backup system.

So don't compare them.
Think network.

You didn't read my PC backup procedure also Terry?

If it is a network, then every item on the network must be restored to a working condition. Bit by bit. Piece by piece.
Section isolate, then get it all on line.

Think Network?
I worked on (arguably) the world's first networked systems:
http://www.dontronics.com/first_multi_user_real_time.html

I just found out a bit more info on the system used:

TRAINEE CONTROL CENTRE OFFICER (NSW Ambulance dispatch service)
http://x2t.com/TRAINEE

1. Six weeks of classroom training in various systems such as VisiCAD,

Selection Criteria:
* Computer literacy with demonstrated experience in the use of windows based computer applications and the ability to
transfer voice activated information into computerised data entry system.

It looks very much like it is a windows based system.

Cheers Don...

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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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kreed wrote
And the Carbon Tax ? will that get anywhere ?

Probably, because most of the 'independant' fools and the greens want it.
 
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John Tserkezis

Jan 1, 1970
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Petzl said:
Not just Ambulance service that are "over securtitising" a Network to
the point where it stil gets trojans or viruses. But is not productive
for it's intended use.
Just a while ago I went to send a email to my syate MP and get a
bounce
*******
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for
further information about the cause of this error. The error that the
other server returned was: 501 501 Syntax error - Badly formatted
address. (state 14).
*******
Which is and was bull.
Only in Australia

Ahh, run by shmucks obviously...

I had a problem with a client some time back, he couldn't download the
connection software for our gear, from our web site. His end objected
to the .exe installation file.

So I emailed the exe on its own. Still blocked.
So I renamed it, and tried again. Found it interrogates files, and
still blocks it.
So I zipped it, and tried yet again. Nope, it opens zips and checks
inside too.

I still had a password protected zip to try, but thought better of it.
I burnt a CD and sent it via snail mail. A three hundred year old
technology by-passed their modern day data security.
Though, truth be said, I can't really blame the admin for that, it was
probably a four-brain-celled-upper management directive. To this day I
still wonder how they manage to undo their zipper before pissing. Or
that they managed to get their pants on in the first place...
 
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keithr

Jan 1, 1970
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Ahh, run by shmucks obviously...

I had a problem with a client some time back, he couldn't download the
connection software for our gear, from our web site. His end objected
to the .exe installation file.

So I emailed the exe on its own. Still blocked.
So I renamed it, and tried again. Found it interrogates files, and
still blocks it.
So I zipped it, and tried yet again. Nope, it opens zips and checks
inside too.

I still had a password protected zip to try, but thought better of it.
I burnt a CD and sent it via snail mail. A three hundred year old
technology by-passed their modern day data security.
Though, truth be said, I can't really blame the admin for that, it was
probably a four-brain-celled-upper management directive. To this day I
still wonder how they manage to undo their zipper before pissing. Or
that they managed to get their pants on in the first place...

My employer's e-mail system rejects anything vaguely executable, you
just add another extension to make it something like fred.exe.zzz and
get the recipient to strip the extra extension before use.
 
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Petzl

Jan 1, 1970
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My employer's e-mail system rejects anything vaguely executable, you
just add another extension to make it something like fred.exe.zzz and
get the recipient to strip the extra extension before use.

Looks to me like this was a "closed" network not connected to internet
The IT do not seem to of not updared "virus" definitions
The infection most likley by USB or CD

I just use Security Essentials which you have already paid for from
Microsoft. So far always picked up and trojan/virus as it was being
download, Malware sites incucled
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Pretzl wrote
Stupid implementation. Its completely trivial to reject stuff done like that too.
Looks to me like this was a "closed" network not connected to internet

Guess again.
The IT do not seem to of not updared "virus" definitions

Or they just arent interested in anything executable entering their system.
The infection most likley by USB or CD

Guessing, as always.
I just use Security Essentials which you have already paid
for from Microsoft. So far always picked up and trojan/virus
as it was being download, Malware sites incucled

You'll never know what it missed.
 
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F Murtz

Jan 1, 1970
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Petzl said:
Looks to me like this was a "closed" network not connected to internet

The IT do not seem to of not updared "virus" definitions
??


The infection most likley by USB or CD

I just use Security Essentials which you have already paid for from
Microsoft. So far always picked up and trojan/virus as it was being
download, Malware sites incucled
 
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keithr

Jan 1, 1970
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Pretzl wrote

Stupid implementation. Its completely trivial to reject stuff done like that too.

There is always a way around it as long as any file attachment is
allowed, they are just trying to prevent attachments from auto-executing.
 
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John Tserkezis

Jan 1, 1970
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keithr said:
My employer's e-mail system rejects anything vaguely executable, you
just add another extension to make it something like fred.exe.zzz and
get the recipient to strip the extra extension before use.

Like I said, theirs was much more restrictive, in that it looked within
the binary and worked out what the file was.

This is just way over the top, and can be managed via other means.

Back a billion years ago, the company I worked for had a minor issue of
a virus appearing on our distributed media. Thankfully, the source
wasn't our department, nor the "official" disk duplicator / machine
builder guy. Turns out, while he was on break, some other guys in
another department thought it was an easy job and thoughtfully took over.

As a result of that, an instant company-wide policy of "if you bring
media into our premises, you're out the door" was brought in. (clearly
before the unions made it impossible to fire idiots).

At that time, I agreed with that stance, and appreciate it was the
right course of action.

But that was when software was being sourced via official means and we
had no *real* need to bring our own "unofficially sourced" stuff in.
Or, where required, we had the option of writing tools ourselves anyway
- which we did on occasion.

Today however, EVERYONE uses software in some form or another. We have
established procedures to look out for obvious clues to infection, and
have other procedures for handling the disinfection.
Preventing infection is also accounted for, while we block web access
to verified dodgy sites, users are otherwise free to download the latest
software of what they use.

Today, an outright blockage of executables - with no (electronic)
options offered, is just silly. It servers only to stop you working.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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John Tserkezis wrote
keithr wrote
Like I said, theirs was much more restrictive, in that it
looked within the binary and worked out what the file was.

Their choice.
This is just way over the top,
Nope.

and can be managed via other means.

Why should they bother ?
Back a billion years ago, the company I worked for had a minor issue
of a virus appearing on our distributed media. Thankfully, the source
wasn't our department, nor the "official" disk duplicator / machine
builder guy. Turns out, while he was on break, some other guys in
another department thought it was an easy job and thoughtfully took over.
As a result of that, an instant company-wide policy of "if you bring
media into our premises, you're out the door" was brought in.
(clearly before the unions made it impossible to fire idiots).

Thats never the case.
At that time, I agreed with that stance, and appreciate it was the right course of action.
But that was when software was being sourced via official means and
we had no *real* need to bring our own "unofficially sourced" stuff in.
Or, where required, we had the option of writing tools ourselves
anyway - which we did on occasion.
Today however, EVERYONE uses software in some form or another.

Some dont.
We have established procedures to look out for obvious clues to
infection, and have other procedures for handling the disinfection.
Preventing infection is also accounted for, while we block web
access to verified dodgy sites, users are otherwise free to
download the latest software of what they use.
Today, an outright blockage of executables - with no (electronic)
options offered, is just silly. It servers only to stop you working.

Mindlessly silly.
 
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keithr

Jan 1, 1970
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Like I said, theirs was much more restrictive, in that it looked within
the binary and worked out what the file was.

That must do interesting things to e-mail throughput. I'll keep that one
away from out IT dept although there would be a a revolution in the
engineering department if they tried it.
This is just way over the top, and can be managed via other means.

Back a billion years ago, the company I worked for had a minor issue of
a virus appearing on our distributed media. Thankfully, the source
wasn't our department, nor the "official" disk duplicator / machine
builder guy. Turns out, while he was on break, some other guys in
another department thought it was an easy job and thoughtfully took over.

As a result of that, an instant company-wide policy of "if you bring
media into our premises, you're out the door" was brought in. (clearly
before the unions made it impossible to fire idiots).

At that time, I agreed with that stance, and appreciate it was the
right course of action.

But that was when software was being sourced via official means and we
had no *real* need to bring our own "unofficially sourced" stuff in.
Or, where required, we had the option of writing tools ourselves anyway
- which we did on occasion.

In some areas of our company, especially in the remote support centres,
the machines are "Locked down". The users cannot alter the installed
software at all. All the laptops have SafeBoot installed, you can't boot
in safe mode without a special USB key plugged in.
 
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SG1

Jan 1, 1970
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Rod Speed said:
John Tserkezis wrote


Their choice.


Why should they bother ?



Thats never the case.

Did a large telco sack you Roddles????
 
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