EST Quick Start

[James B]

does anyone have a manual on this panel?

James

 

[Just Some Guy]

Rip it out and put something decent in its place




There are several different manuals depending

 

[James B]

Yes. Most of the guys that went to school for a week or so to learn EST
programming. EST panels are probably the last type of FACP that one would
want to fat finger. Find someone that really knows EST and let them do any
necessary programming.https://www.est.net/Training/restricted/QuickStart_Flash/QSOperCutSht...
If you haven't been trained on it, don't screw with it. I bet even the king
of DIY (Bass) would agree on that.







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Thanks for all your help.... I found one. The panel is not that
tough even for my fat fingers.

 

[Crash Gordon]

sheet, i worked on a commercial building several years ago where the
electricians installed an EST (and were supposedly trained) and they didn't
have a freekin clue what they were doing.

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**Crash Gordon**






|> does anyone have a manual on this panel?
|
| Yes. Most of the guys that went to school for a week or so to learn EST
| programming. EST panels are probably the last type of FACP that one would
| want to fat finger. Find someone that really knows EST and let them do any
| necessary programming.
| https://www.est.net/Training/restricted/QuickStart_Flash/QSOperCutSht.pdf
| If you haven't been trained on it, don't screw with it. I bet even the
king
| of DIY (Bass) would agree on that.
|
| | > does anyone have a manual on this panel?
| >
| > James
|
|

 

[Frank Olson]

sheet, i worked on a commercial building several years ago where the
electricians installed an EST (and were supposedly trained) and they didn't
have a freekin clue what they were doing.

That's because they took the Bass Home Study Course (c/w a complimentary
two hour telephone seminar and a copy of the Sentrol Application
Handbook). The informative CD was $29.99 (reduced) if you purchased the
product from his online store.

 

[Crash Gordon]

and a set of Ginsu knives?

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**Crash Gordon**






| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > sheet, i worked on a commercial building several years ago where the
| > electricians installed an EST (and were supposedly trained) and they
didn't
| > have a freekin clue what they were doing.
| >
|
|
| That's because they took the Bass Home Study Course (c/w a complimentary
| two hour telephone seminar and a copy of the Sentrol Application
| Handbook). The informative CD was $29.99 (reduced) if you purchased the
| product from his online store.

 

[Frank Olson]

and a set of Ginsu knives?

Wrong website. That's Rojas. Send him five panels to unlock and he'll
send them back with a complimentary pair of Ginsu wire strippers and the
dry-wall saw.

 

[Frank Olson]

Thanks for all your help.... I found one. The panel is not that
tough even for my fat fingers.

Roland's one of those individuals that believe that "factory training"
is the only way to go.

 

[Frank Olson]

In this state you have to have CEUs for licensing. Everyone is always trying
to get factory training for CEU credit. As for EST it is one of the more
difficult FACPs to program. Even the entry level version this guy was
talking about isn't that easy. There have been several incidents here where
an untrained person got into an EST system and "programmed it". The place
burned and the system didn't report it. One of them was a school.

I know what you mean. I'll put 'em in and terminate 'em, but I'll leave
the programming to the local GE guys. The only exception to that rule
(in the EST line) is FireShield (which anyone can field program quite
easily). Mircom has a new line of panels that look exactly like
FireShield. Cheaper too. We have a few of both in the field so I'll be
able to relate any problems we encounter as time goes on. The one
drawback with the GE lines have already been mentioned. Replacement
parts *are* expensive.

 

[Frank Olson]

Certain versions are so strange to program that you can't really upload the
panel completely unless you wrote the program originally. Some of the
program resides in the panel, part in the heads, it's truly something else.

Not really... It's a means to an end. On the one hand it increases the
level of protection to the end user... on the other... it locks in the
customer. What really sucks is that the customer usually doesn't have a
say in the final decision. "Low man" wins on most tendered projects.
There are a few exceptions, but they are *few*. I know the Canadian
Government used to positively *love* Secutron stuff. And BC Housing
seems to have this "thing" for Siemens/Pyrotronics (on new construction
and upgrades).

 

[Crash Gordon]

We just ripped one out today anyone want to buy it?
Three years old.



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**Crash Gordon**






| does anyone have a manual on this panel?
|
| James

 

[minifrank]

We just ripped one out today anyone want to buy it?
Three years old.

whats wrong with it?

 

[Frank Olson]

It is an EST. And real suport is only available if you're an EST dealer.

It's worse than that in Canada. GE technicians are the only ones that
can program the panels. Some AHJ's insist that they're also the only
ones that can verify them as well, however others take ULC/CAN-537
(Verification Standard) a whole lot more literally and you have to have
an *independent* do that part. I know GE screams "blue murder" when
that happens, but just think about it... If they're *programming* the
system, and then verifying it, it sort of defeats the purpose of the
standard which states you *can't* verify your own work. Ah well... fun
and games.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Aside from what others mentioned...we're not sure - displays a ground fault
trouble all the time, no matter what we do. But, it's pretty clean and has 4
expansion boards. The building was remodeled 3 years ago by what we can tell
from the fire inspection tag and that's all I remember right now. It was a
fairly clean install and system was working ok except for the ground fault
and it was "time" for a complete remodel of the system anyway.



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**Crash Gordon**






| Crash Gordon wrote:
| > We just ripped one out today anyone want to buy it?
| > Three years old.
| >
| >
| >
| whats wrong with it?