thankyou audio guru ill try that one to, all though there are more 741 circuits on the net to and the one i used before was one of them so i welcome the extra. oh by the way i tried that circuit you said to try and its not very good it dont work, the powerfull rare earth magnets have to be sitting on top of the coil and moved, like brushing it to get any reaction, from the audio amp , however the latest way i have it set up its so sensitive that i dont have to swing the magnet, i can raise it and lower it and get an effect in fact at nearly 10mm is pritty great range thats with the magnet away from the coil , and with the 1k and 10uf removed from the 741 circuit, and i taped to the led leg before the 10 ohms resister and i conected the other coil input to somewhere else , now my nine volts batteries aint full charge so the second was just a helper and when i removed the 9 volts battery from the preamp section it still worked , by just the induced voltage into the coil from the slightest movement of the magnet and with the battery back in its more responsive , and even though it aint audio signal i think, to be boosted at least im getting some form of sound from the amp section. ive saved that latest you posted so il be trying it to