Long differential pair to balanced antenna

kellogs

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Hello,

If I understand correctly, a differential PCB trace pair feeding a balanced antenna will not radiate much. Of course, there will be no ground plane above or below the diff pair. So then the antenna's radiation pattern will also not suffer much ?

Can the diff pair + antenna piece be treated as a new antenna for impedance matching purposes or is it better to have the diff pair matched against the antenna piece ?
 
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Delta Prime

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Can you provide a link or documented reference of your research; understanding a differential PCB trace pair feeding a balanced antenna?
 

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Can the diff pair + antenna piece be treated as a new antenna for impedance matching purposes or is it better to have the diff pair matched against the antenna piece ?

we need a lot more info on what you are referring to
at this stage, it's difficult to know what you are talking about
What sort of "Balanced Antenna" ?

Photos of your antenna setup. if no photos, at least a good drawing of what you are trying to achieve
Frequency you are using ( as @Delta Prime stated)

cheers
Dave
 

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Thank you for the interest,

315 MHz, picture attached
 

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Delta Prime

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You’re talking about a microstrip antenna, which are printed and or etched they use fractions of wavelength not the entire wavelength.
I believe more reading is necessary.
 

kellogs

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The helix dipole is in 3D while the diff pair is 2D with a ~ lambda / 10 length.
 

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Next time start off with that!
Now you just keep on going more information is needed.
 

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Concerning your helical dipole antenna,, what are your size constraints?
4Nec2 is a free downloadable tool that I use.
In the absence of information!
I can only give you important concepts you need to know…
Propagation Delay( time it takes for a signal to travel down a transmission line).
Wave Time (or Signal Rise Time) time it takes for the signal to transition from one voltage level to another.
Propagation delay is a small fraction (typically less than λ /10 or 10%) of the wave time, I ignore the effects of the transmission line & treat it as a simple wire. However, as the propagation delay increases relative to the wave time, the behavior of the transmission line becomes more critical.
you must make sure the impedance of the transmission line matches the impedance of the source & load. This prevents signal reflections.
signal encounters an impedance mismatch, part of the signal is reflected back toward the source. These reflections can distort the signal & cause signal integrity problems.
When the propagation delay is significant, impedance mismatches become much more problematic. The reflected signals can arrive back at the source while the original signal is still transitioning, leading to signal distortion, overshoot, undershoot, & ringing.
The impedance of transmission
line is not constant but varies with frequency.
In the presence of reflections, the transfer function (H(s)) of the transmission line becomes more complicated & 4.25% of wavelength.
There is a special case where the propagation delay is 25% of the wavelength (λ/4). In this situation, if the transmission line is…
open-circuited at the load, this phenomenon will appear as a short circuit at the source, & vice versa; this is because the reflected signal arrives back at the source 180 degrees out of phase with the incident signal.
 
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