Low frequency underwater speaker/transducer

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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm looking for a transducer/speaker for transmitting fairly large
amplitude vibrations/sounds through water. Freq between 10Hz and a hew
hundred. Anyone know anything of the shelf and moderately cheap?
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Have you researched how the Navy does this?

The navy uses stuff like Terfenol-D and uses quite high frequencies.
Terfenol-D is very expensive.
I was thinking more like a conventional subwoofer speaker cone
 
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MeowSayTongue

Jan 1, 1970
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Why not just use your Magick ??

hamilton

Take a weather-proof bullhorn style outdoor PA speaker, and attach a
clear membrane onto the face. A THICK membrane. Take it underwater, and
there ya go! The membrane will cycle at the rate you pump into the horn.

Wont get a lot of amplitude but water transfers sound a LOT better, so
no nee for great amplitudes.
 
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Fred McKenzie

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax said:
I'm looking for a transducer/speaker for transmitting fairly large
amplitude vibrations/sounds through water.

Dirk-

Someone at sci.physics.acoustics may have experience doing what you are
trying.

I'd look at the Bruel & Kjaer website for acoustics equipment. If they
have anything for underwater work, it may be the best you will find.

If you search the web for Underwater Speakers, you may find something a
little cheaper.

Fred
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Why not just use your Magick ??

hamilton

Because binaural tones and neural patterned magnetic fields are not the
correct technologies.
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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Take a weather-proof bullhorn style outdoor PA speaker, and attach a
clear membrane onto the face. A THICK membrane. Take it underwater, and
there ya go! The membrane will cycle at the rate you pump into the horn.

Wont get a lot of amplitude but water transfers sound a LOT better, so
no nee for great amplitudes.

I need a far better coupling of energy to water than will be
accomplished by putting a gas interface between them. Maybe some kind of
linear actuator...
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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I doubt cheap, but Seismic surveys for oil and gas exploration use
some sort of transducer to generate the vibrations. Or depending on
exactly what you are trying to do, a few sticks of dynamite would
work.

Dan
I just want to shake a few kg of jelly around at a few Hz
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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They make shake tables for vibration testing.

You might be able to copy their technology.
I was thinking along those lines but I really want low frequency audio.
Maybe time to do a few experiments with linear power actuators
 
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Sjouke Burry

Jan 1, 1970
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Why not use a cheap dc motor with an eccentric weight
on its axis?
Good for 0-300hz, and quite a bit of power.
 
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qrk

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm looking for a transducer/speaker for transmitting fairly large
amplitude vibrations/sounds through water. Freq between 10Hz and a hew
hundred. Anyone know anything of the shelf and moderately cheap?


http://www.lubell.com/
Don't know if they'll go down to 10 Hz, but these are useful in the
audible range.
 
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BlindBaby

Jan 1, 1970
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DB > I just want to shake a few kg of jelly around at a few Hz

Take up fast walking.

Obviously from first hand experience. Except that in your case, it was
your lips that weighed a few kilograms... each, and Talking
that was what moved them around at a few hUrtz...

Bwuahahahaha!
 
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Chieftain of the Carpet Crawlers

Jan 1, 1970
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I need a far better coupling of energy to water than will be
accomplished by putting a gas interface between them. Maybe some kind of
linear actuator...

You would be surprised what an enclosed pocket of gas transfers to a
flat membrane in a closed spaced, fired directly from a transducer. That
bit of dampening is actually better than what you are after, but if that
is what you want, you would then want a sub woofer driver with a
super-light weight post glued in place of the coil cap that fires the
membrane directly. Then, you can have a lower frequency device you are
after.

The bullhorn works though. Think of how they can hear into office
buildings using laser interferometry. Under water, it isn't even needed.
One can hear the sound quite a distance away from very little input
power. Your voice at the back of the bullhorn would do, much less
(more?) electrical transducers.

Anyway,play a drum under water and you get sound projection at great
distances. Easy to blow out transducers and listening gear if peaks are
not kept chopped so that anomalies like small (or large) explosions do
not destroy some segment of your gear. (your monitor speakers and your
ears).
 
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Kevin McMurtrie

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax said:
I'm looking for a transducer/speaker for transmitting fairly large
amplitude vibrations/sounds through water. Freq between 10Hz and a hew
hundred. Anyone know anything of the shelf and moderately cheap?

A small polypropylene subwoofer from the auto parts section of a
Kmart/Target/Kragen/Pep Boys/Walmart. $49 might even buy one with an
amplifier rated "1000W".
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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The navy uses stuff like Terfenol-D and uses quite high frequencies.
Terfenol-D is very expensive.
I was thinking more like a conventional subwoofer speaker cone

Water's a lot denser than air (about 700 times) and also essentially
incompressible.

A driver designed for frequencies above 7kHz in air will have the right
force to displacement ratio. It looks like a piezo tweeter driver might
be a good starting point.
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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I just want to shake a few kg of jelly around at a few Hz

That's completely different attach a vibrator to the container, or
embed it, the internet should have plenty of vendors.
 
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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax

Jan 1, 1970
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That's completely different attach a vibrator to the container, or
embed it, the internet should have plenty of vendors.

Actuator attached to the container might be sufficient
 
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josephkk

Jan 1, 1970
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A small polypropylene subwoofer from the auto parts section of a
Kmart/Target/Kragen/Pep Boys/Walmart. $49 might even buy one with an
amplifier rated "1000W".

Water or jelly is a much different substance than air. I would have gone
with a 1 inch aluminum dome tweeter and about 200 W to drive it. A real
shaker and amplifier might be had used for US$ 2000.
 
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