MA- DMP-XR500

[fly in the ointment]

Mark Leuck wrote

Last I checked Caddx still makes panels in Gladewater Texas

And, you don't have to kiss ass to buy them.
js

 

[Mark Leuck]

Mark Leuck wrote

And, you don't have to kiss ass to buy them.
js

Unless you are David Kratz

What some of these tight-assed manufacturers never realize is these panels
end up being installed, sold, bought etc and other people end up having to
service them, I'd just as soon rip out a DMP panel and replace it with
something I can get parts for without a major hassle.

The more barriers they put in my way the less likely I'm going to use them.

 

[Jackcsg]

Sorry, long drive home from working all weekend. I'll behave know.

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

That's right Mark. If your going to use the Internet for transmitting
signals, you need a good reliable Gateway (router) which can auto-negotiate
aDSL. I have a sDSL at my office which is rated at 1.1 mbps both up-speed,
and down-speed. The average DMP burp is about 6 to 8K. I also have a aDSL at
my house, with the right router, which has never gone down since it was
installed 14 months ago. My email goes down once and a while, and getting to
this News Group, but that does not effect alarm signaling. The (and most
all) alarm routers do not have an operating system. They are not susceptible
to Viruses, hackers, email attacks, etc. People do need to learn more about
how the Internet actually routes signals, and not just how your Computer
negotiates to your email client.

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

Your right. All you need is a valid credit card, and a vehicle with a trunk.
You can even buy it over the Internet and have it shipped to you. DMP is for
professionals only.

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

Tight-ass? Kiss-ass? I do neither. Nobody but me, or an Authorized Dealer,
services my equipment. The average over-the-counter guy is not going to
service a DMP, or Radionic's panel for that matter. Replace one of the
tight-ass guys panels and you'll be replacing all the modules in the field
as well. Pass that on to your customer. Hey, it goes round and round. If I
was into the headaches of the resi-world, I would just replace the main
board too. What $60.00 to maybe $150.00 bucks? Vs. the RMR? I don't use DMP
because it allows me to compete with the over-the-counter guy. I use it in
the Commercial Arena to blow away my competition, and have better management
of, and provide remote administration, of my systems for my clients. If your
happy with your current equipment, then good for you. I'm happy too. The
only limitations in this industry evolves around a lack of information,
failures to stay up on technology, and the worst; a failure to have the
knowledge to implement it. If your happy in contributing to the 92-98% false
alarm rate, and the 51% + rate caused by customers, then your an average
alarm company. I choose the opposite. Internet Alarm Monitoring, with Video
Verification is not only affordable, it's reliable. And I have a room in St.
Louis that proves it.

Jack

 

[C G]

That's right Mark. If your going to use the Internet for transmitting
signals, you need a good reliable Gateway (router) which can auto-negotiate
aDSL. I have a sDSL at my office which is rated at 1.1 mbps both up-speed,
and down-speed. The average DMP burp is about 6 to 8K. I also have a aDSL at
my house, with the right router, which has never gone down since it was
installed 14 months ago. My email goes down once and a while, and getting to
this News Group, but that does not effect alarm signaling. The (and most
all) alarm routers do not have an operating system. They are not susceptible
to Viruses, hackers, email attacks, etc. People do need to learn more about
how the Internet actually routes signals, and not just how your Computer
negotiates to your email client.

You are just such a networking expert, aren't you. I can tell someone
gave you enough words to sell this stuff, but you may not understand the
issues behind the words you've learned to repeat. Sure, network
hardware does not get viruses. However, they do suffer their effects
when the virus, email attack, or whatever floods the network with data.
Networks also suffer from their own set of problems, including but not
limited to, hardware failures, routing table errors, switches or routers
looping, lost packets, insufficient bandwidth, cut cables, GOOE (good
old operator error), and more.

Commercial users can buy a level of service which protects them, mostly,
from these problems, but it is far from perfect. The fact that your
router, and internet service, at home has not gone down in 14 months is
commendable. However, I think you will find that your experience is far
from universal.

 

[Jackcsg]

Clarification: The XR-500 has the Network Router Capability built into the
board, it's not an add-on Module. The older Modules (Routers) the iCOM, the
iCOM/E (AES encryption), and the iCOMsl (slave) were sperate routers you
added to the panels. The iCOMsl is a slave router which can be installed on
ANY Manufacturers control Panel. The XR-500 also has a flash memory chip
which allows for remote upgrades to the panels firmware.

I didn't post this information for a debate, it was simply an announcement
of a new control panel.
If you have questions, I'd be glad to further clarify them for you.
Opinions...well good for you. You'll fit in just right here in ASA.

Jack

 

[C G]

Chuck. Your an idiot. Keep doing what your doing. It's better for me.

Jack, you are a trained monkey with a memorized sales pitch. It's far
from bullet proof, but you are not astute enough to figure this out.

 

[Mark Leuck]

Oh brother, I'm glad I wore my boots today

Your right. All you need is a valid credit card, and a vehicle with a trunk.
You can even buy it over the Internet and have it shipped to you. DMP is for
professionals only.

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

"You are just such a networking expert, aren't you. I can tell someone
gave you enough words to sell this stuff, but you may not understand the
issues behind the words you've learned to repeat."

You don't know shit about me. In know enough to sell? I build Networks from
the ground up. I employ a CTO who is MSCE certified, along with over 15
years experience with networks. I have over 10 years experience as well. I
have built 7 Central Stations, 2 for Fortune 500 Companies, and one for a
Government entity. I have built both secure, and non-secure network
infrastructures. I'm sure I can get by despite what little knowledge you
understand, or think I understand. Your response is that of a typical IT
person who thinks because his email service, or server is down, his network
is down. Alarm Routers are stupid switches. They are also, at least the one
I use, rated UL Grade "AA", which means their supervised, much like a direct
line would be. I do use dial back-up, or another form of media as a
redundant transmitter. I use dual redundant sDSL lines in my Central, each
from a different NOC, with a 99.9% guaranteed up-time. Neither has gone down
in almost 20 months. My false alarm rate is 0%. In June 04' I will have been
in business 14 years, and in December 04', 20 years in the Alarm Industry.
But your probably right, I don't know much. I'll just continue to limp by,
on what little knowledge I have, hoping someday you will except me. Don't
hold your breath though, when the money stops coming in, I'll start to
worry.

Jack
the csg means (Commercial Systems Group) - EVERY electronic system(s) in
your office.

 

[Jackcsg]

And money still comes in the door! What a concept. If I could only get paid
in bananas? Truly then I would be in heaven. eeh,eeh. Thanks Chuck. Do you
have a Manual, so I can be like you? Where would I train for it? Chuck your
a dime a dozen in here. You just take it personal when someone gives you 2
cents back. That's cool. Your just average.

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

Man, Mark, this is not a chat room. Put on some pants and a shirt too.

Jack

 

[thesatguy]

I use the American made CADDX control panels all the time.

 

[thesatguy]

Well for a long time I used Radionics and tolerated their dumb distribution
system and they have really fine panels and I was very happy with them even
though you had to wait a week for anything you didn't have on the shelf.
Then, they decided (as all of these proprietary type arrangements always do)
that they would only accept orders of $3500. or more and when I needed one
additional high-dollars keypad to complete a job I found myself knowing it
was time to change.

Then they hooked up with Detection Systems, another company with fine
products that I also preferred to use; stopped using them too.

If I can't walk into my choice of distributors and obtain a product I most
likely don't need it. The exception would be Yuasa batteries cause those
are worth shipping in. However, I stopped buying Radionics, stopped using
DS control panels and sensors, and won't even give DMP a look simply because
none of my distributors carry it. Its just not worth the trouble no matter
how good it may be.

 

[Jackcsg]

I know Robert. Thank God I don't have any sisters. I know what's coming....

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

And I'm glad to hear that. I honestly didn't know Caddx was made in the US.
Have you used the IP routers yet? I've heard there good as well.

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

I hear ya. I used to be a Radionic's Dealer. But DMP is 100% easier to deal
with, get product, and the costs are half of what I was paying with
Radionic's. I just like being different. If you like being mixed in with the
rest of the trunk slammers (mixed in, not one) that's your choice. My niche
is that separation. I don't install residential systems, so the competition
is a little different in my arena. That's all. The day my customers start
buying DMP equipment across the Internet, or a counter, with a credit card,
would be the day I stopped using them. That's not what I call professional
grade equipment. I don't mean that those who do aren't professional. It's
just my opinion. Disagree, agree, loose sleep, sleep well. Whatever.

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

That's funny. I know who the answer people here are. When they start asking
a few questions, that will probably through me off. Professional? Feels like
Radio Shack in here, often. Got allot of parts and pieces here, just not
100% sure what they all do. Frank knows though. Right?

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

I'd just as soon rip out a DMP panel and replace it with
So let me get this straight Mark. I install a DMP system with 14 doors of
access control, 136 addressable fire/smoke detectors, 42 points of burg, 14
outputs for high voltage lighting, a router for monitoring it over the
Internet, and you come in and install (replace) the control panel without a
"Major Hassle"? Really? That's some good shit your smokin'. Why don't you
fill us all in on how you would accomplish this? Better yet, work up a price
on it.

Jack