MA- DMP-XR500

[petem]

I mean, really, if you think about it ....... it's like ........... whats the
difference if you're using telephone lines and cellular, ......... which one
you make primary ......... as long as you supervise each method via the other?
Jim

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i am all with you on this one...

been sending my alarm signal over ethernet for a year now and i didnt had
one single issue yet...

but i can say the same for my land line..and i know that one day i will have
some trouble ..from the land line or from the ethernet connection...nothings
perfect!

the only problem i see about sending signal with both the internet and land
line is if you use the same copper wire for both..(adsl and telephone coming
in by the same wire..)

that would be totally useless to prevent the lost of communication in case
someone cut the copper..
unless the ethernet communication is supervised...but its not all the
internet modules or panels that use bi-directionnal communication..... and
you have to set up properly the routing device locally if this connection is
used for something else(most likely)

i have a router here....(linksys) on an ups...its pretty stable..but it was
not the same before the ups...was freezing every few weeks...

so all in all this is about the same thing as a cell backup...just need to
learn something new...

 

[Jackcsg]

There is no "magic" box for every application is there? The situation
usually dictates your limitations, and options. I use the Internet with DMP
because I do allot of access control. The access portion of the DMP allows
me to send a signal everytime someone goes through a door, which is stored
into my automation at my Central. Most panels have buffers that can store
this information of which the DMP XR200 can store 1,000 Access Events, and
200 Alarm events. But I'm able to log and retrieve this info on the fly.
Most of my customers have no desire to administer their own access control
system, and with the control attached to the Internet I have complete
control of the system. Without dialing up the panel, in just a second or
two, I'm on board, and able to do everything remotely. Everything. Lock,
Un-Lock doors, reset smoke detectors, add, change, delete users, turn lights
on, etc. It's totally two directional. I use a simple cost effective
Panasonic Network Camera to verify alarms. My customers can look in on
things as well. I have two Video Servers which record the video to our
Central on events. I have one customer who pays us to record in store
activities during his business hours, and alarm events when he's closed. He
loves it, because he didn't have to go buy a DVR, or time-lapse recorder,
and there was only the camera cost. He pays us $ 49.50 a month for his alarm
monitoring, and 10 gig video storage. I have added significant revenue to
our Central using the Internet without the cost of expensive proprietary
equipment, or costs associated with additional phone lines. And best yet,
our false alarm rate is 0%.

Jack

 

[fly in the ointment]

Jackcsg wrote

Your right. All you need is a valid credit card, and a vehicle with a trunk.
You can even buy it over the Internet and have it shipped to you. DMP is for
professionals only.

As is Caddx, DSC, Napco, and the rest. The exclusivity of DMP is a
marketing strategy only, and does nothing to place it in a more
"professional" category, except in the eyes of their dealers, of course.
I thought you were going to behave.
js

 

[Mark Leuck]

The day my customers start
buying DMP equipment across the Internet, or a counter, with a credit card,
would be the day I stopped using them. That's not what I call professional
grade equipment. I don't mean that those who do aren't professional. It's
just my opinion. Disagree, agree, loose sleep, sleep well. Whatever.

Jack

No offense but that sounds a bit rediculous, IF it someday happens that DMP
starts selling over the counter etc doesn't mean the equipment is any worse.
It sounds to me like the only reason you buy DMP is because it is exclusive
which by your previous statements I know would be false

Now if the equipment DOES become worse it would be a different story

 

[Mark Leuck]

So let me get this straight Mark. I install a DMP system with 14 doors of
access control, 136 addressable fire/smoke detectors, 42 points of burg, 14
outputs for high voltage lighting, a router for monitoring it over the
Internet, and you come in and install (replace) the control panel without a
"Major Hassle"? Really? That's some good shit your smokin'. Why don't you
fill us all in on how you would accomplish this? Better yet, work up a price
on it.

Jack

If I can't get parts or am able to properly service the account it doesn't
matter what brand you put in.

 

[Mark Leuck]

And I'm glad to hear that. I honestly didn't know Caddx was made in the US.
Have you used the IP routers yet? I've heard there good as well.

Jack

I've downloaded an NX-8 over a network a beta module (forgot the model
number), no idea if its out yet but one of the problems I have with it is it
requires an Osborne-Hoffman receiver which I don't have. other than that it
was a sweet setup. They will soon have a module for the ITI Simon. No idea
either how long Caddx will keep making equipment in the US, the rest of
Interlogix (including ITI) is already offshore or in Mexico.

Ademco still makes some parts in the US and I think Radionics does as well.

 

[Jackcsg]

I'm hoping! It'll get the local PD's back in line (or on line)

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

Sorry. I was talking like a salesman again. Don't ever use DMP. You'll hate
it. I barely can earn a living with it.

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

Sure. So in other words it's a little out of your league, providing the
customer is dumb enough to pay for it? Sure Mark whatever you say.

Jack

 

[Mark Leuck]

Sure. So in other words it's a little out of your league, providing the
customer is dumb enough to pay for it? Sure Mark whatever you say.

Jack

DMP isn't out of my league and that applies to many other brands for various
reasons (obsolete or manufacturer no longer exists etc)

 

[Mark Leuck]

Nope. I stand by exactly what I said. I believe (again my personal opinion)
what's wrong with this industry is the ability for anyone with a credit
card, or cash to purchase alarm equipment. That's not a profession. That's
consumer consumption, and a Manufacturers drive to increase sales, at any
cost. Period. I'm not saying you are not a professional, but someone is a
whore here.

Jack

What does someone elses ability to buy the equipment you install have to do
with what YOU do? Every brand I know of is installed by competent installers
as well as total lunkheads (including DMP).

 

[Mark Leuck]

Radionic's makes most of it's products in China, as does DS. Other than
switches, and some mounting hardware, most all Ademco, especially their
panels are made in Mexico. Are you saying Caddx is made in Mexico? Or
leading towards going there?

Leading towards going there judging the general trend of the industry

That new Osbourne-Hoffman receiver is nice, and
not too expensive. But obviously useless if you don't have one for the Caddx
IP router.

We use and prefer SurGard although I am attempting to get an O-H for testing
purpases

Which leads me back to AlarmNet. You told me it was free. The fact is for UL
Central Stations it costs $50.00 per month for the service. That's not free?

Jack

AlarmNet is charging that or the central station?

 

[fly in the ointment]

Jackcsg wrote

Nope. I stand by exactly what I said. I believe (again my personal opinion)
what's wrong with this industry is the ability for anyone with a credit
card, or cash to purchase alarm equipment. That's not a profession. That's
consumer consumption, and a Manufacturers drive to increase sales, at any
cost. Period. I'm not saying you are not a professional, but someone is a
whore here.

So anyone who doesn't use DMP, or does residential, or sells to DIY, is a
whore or a trunk slammer. You are a sad, arrogant little man. Kind of like
Jiminex, but probably smarter.
js

 

[petem]

we have someone right now testing some DMP stuff at our office...

didnt saw much of it...but i did saw a pretty ugly keypad...(with built in
card reader...) ;-)

i hope that the look of it is not equal to its performance.. ;-)

he did learn not to unplug card in the slot while the power is still on....
;-)

but the software looked neet..

(if i could have a bit less job on the road ... would love to tackle it a
bit!)

 

[Frank Olson]

Your right. All you need is a valid credit card, and a vehicle with a trunk.
You can even buy it over the Internet and have it shipped to you. DMP is for
professionals only.

DMP, like the Silent Knight Regency products is for those companies with
deep enough pockets and a the willingness to make a commitment to sell
sufficient product to meet the requirements to maintain the "direct"
relationship. I agree the product under discussion is certainly "high end",
and note that your professionalism is demonstrated by the fact that you
*are* making a living at it... Deriding legitimate dealers that use general
distribution rather than specific (like you) is something I figured you were
actually well above... I'm disappointed to say the least... but it's not
the first time...

Frank

 

[Jackcsg]

For one, it further adds to the growing, well actually stagnant, false alarm
rate. True there are idiots everywhere, but I think I know where the higher
percentages are, as do you. It's turned the industry into paper salesman,
and has little to do with protection anymore. There is a difference between
being "certified" vs. "able", or "qualified" vs. "able".

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

That's what AlarmNet is Charging a Central Station. $50.00 per month for a
UL Connection. $600.00 Bucks a Year. And the receiver doesn't even fit in a
rack, it mounts on wall, like a keypad. For a slave communicator.

Jack

 

[Jackcsg]

Ugly? Well once you over come the fact that there are *, function number, or
command numbers to remember, or learn, it operates like an ATM. Yes or No
Questions are all you have to answer. All the panels program exactly the
same. And yes, all the access control features are built in to some of the
keypads, and you can even use a separate module (all single door, at the
door) to control the door. No need to home-run all the wires. Let me know if
you get a chance to play with it, or have any questions. You can do access
control/keyless entry, on Every Control Panel. Good luck Petem.

Jack

 

[fly in the ointment]

The ability for some people to read never amazes me, it's there
understanding that does. Yeah, that's exactly what I didn't say. It's not
arrogance, it's called reality. It's not personal, just factual. I don't
fully blame Manufacturers, or even Distributors. It's the .org's in this
industry who have become less and less accountable to the industry.

Yes, that's predictable. You were jut "misunderstood" again, eh?
js

 

[petem]

ive been at the office this morning and played a bit with it..

lot of feature...
but i dont know if you can use it to controle a door in both direction?
(entry/exit)
the way i see it i would need 2 access controle module and a way to by pass
the input of one module while i use the other one to control the door...

like the paradox NE series of panel...

too bad its not a 2 reader module that can be programed like a DSC 4820 for
the 4020 panel..

and seriously do they have a better looking keypad?
if i go to a customer with a pc4020 or digiplex, keypad and show them the
DMP keypad...they will not even look at the DMP...

they look like the keypads on early 80's alarm system..the way they work is
ok...but in a corporate office...they wont be welcome...unless hiden
somewhere....