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By the way, I am also on a fixed income like you.
Do what you Gotta do, brother we are here for you. We will answer any and all of your questions and make your questions concise because I only like to hit threads not marry them.:cool:
 
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Do what you Gotta do, brother we are here for you. We will answer any and all of your questions and make your questions concise because I only like to hit threads not marry them.:cool:
because I only like to hit threads not marry them.

That's your choice.


I was just responding to what the guy posted.
 
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because I only like to hit threads not marry them.

That's your choice.


I was just responding to what the guy posted.
John, you will have to linger here for awhile to understand @Delta Prime. I think of him as a mature idiot savant but he is probably much more than that. Definitely a very intelligent person, but sometimes rather snarky. I suspect, like me perhaps, that he has little tolerance for the incompetent's opinions.

As for how long my posts are, everyone should feel free to find that little key on their keyboard that has "Delete" molded into the key cap and use it. I won't know, and I will care even less.

The written word created civilization. Without it there would be no recorded history. Drawings on cave walls might have meant something ages ago, but they have little to no relevance (IMHO) to what we regard as recorded history today. So at a very early age my mother taught me how to read and write. Little Golden Books and "Run, Spot, run!" still come to mind now, a few years later. I have been trying to improve on it ever since. And, yes, sometimes it takes more than a few words to get my thoughts down on paper (or the computer screen), but you, gentle reader, have the POWER to ignore it all, perhaps in the hope that brevity will extend your lifetime here on Earth for whatever else you wish to use your allotted and valuable time. No problemo. Go for what makes you happy. Or sad. Or joyful. Or whatever.

Thanks for your advice. Whew! you make very long posts.
Thank you for reading. I am thinking we must have a lot in common besides being older than the average bear. I wish I could help you enjoy whatever life remains, but it is my opinion that joy depends on too many variables to say one size fits all.

Yes, my family did support my electronics hobby. And, yes, I was fortunate to serve in the Air Force, and after four years land an "ideal" job as a non-degree electronics research technician with a prestigious Catholic university. And, yes, I was fortunate to go to college on their dime and graduate ten years later with a BEE (bachelor of electrical engineering) diploma. And, yes, I was fortunate to then go to work for a Department of Defense contractor for the next ten years. My entire life has been one fortunate event after another, although I often failed to recognize when it occurred. But I thank God for the experience and the wild ride. I don't worry about "wasting" what time I have left. Every human being and creature on this Earth experiences life followed later by death. We are the only creatures here who have to question WHY? Everything else "knows" their place and how to behave. Perhaps you should rethink your place in the great game of Life? My view is we are here to learn and to enjoy the life given to us. Your mileage (or kilometers) may differ. Please let me know if you think I can help.
 

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John, you will have to linger here for awhile to understand @Delta Prime. I think of him as a mature idiot savant but he is probably much more than that. Definitely a very intelligent person, but sometimes rather snarky. I suspect, like me perhaps, that he has little tolerance for the incompetent's opinions.

As for how long my posts are, everyone should feel free to find that little key on their keyboard that has "Delete" molded into the key cap and use it. I won't know, and I will care even less.

The written word created civilization. Without it there would be no recorded history. Drawings on cave walls might have meant something ages ago, but they have little to no relevance (IMHO) to what we regard as recorded history today. So at a very early age my mother taught me how to read and write. Little Golden Books and "Run, Spot, run!" still come to mind now, a few years later. I have been trying to improve on it ever since. And, yes, sometimes it takes more than a few words to get my thoughts down on paper (or the computer screen), but you, gentle reader, have the POWER to ignore it all, perhaps in the hope that brevity will extend your lifetime here on Earth for whatever else you wish to use your allotted and valuable time. No problemo. Go for what makes you happy. Or sad. Or joyful. Or whatever.


Thank you for reading. I am thinking we must have a lot in common besides being older than the average bear. I wish I could help you enjoy whatever life remains, but it is my opinion that joy depends on too many variables to say one size fits all.

Yes, my family did support my electronics hobby. And, yes, I was fortunate to serve in the Air Force, and after four years land an "ideal" job as a non-degree electronics research technician with a prestigious Catholic university. And, yes, I was fortunate to go to college on their dime and graduate ten years later with a BEE (bachelor of electrical engineering) diploma. And, yes, I was fortunate to then go to work for a Department of Defense contractor for the next ten years. My entire life has been one fortunate event after another, although I often failed to recognize when it occurred. But I thank God for the experience and the wild ride. I don't worry about "wasting" what time I have left. Every human being and creature on this Earth experiences life followed later by death. We are the only creatures here who have to question WHY? Everything else "knows" their place and how to behave. Perhaps you should rethink your place in the great game of Life? My view is we are here to learn and to enjoy the life given to us. Your mileage (or kilometers) may differ. Please let me know if you think I can help.
I wasn't complaining about your long post, just making an observation.

As far as life and death and doing what makes you happy in your later years, my POV is different than yours and that's all I will say.
"to Each His Own" as it is said.

One point I was making is that your life has been saturated with electronics. Mine has not. It is just an interest I had as a teen and
I had some college and other electronics classes early on so I have been exploring if somehow it might fit into my retirement years,
even as some kind of part time job or whatever. Maybe it's too late now to pursue. Only 24 hrs. in a day and in 21 years I'll be 100.
It's just a matter of priorities. Also when I was a teen I was interested in Ham radio and that was in the Tube days, when the only
way you could communicate around the world (other than snail mail) was a Ham station so it had a romantic element about it.
Now there are smart phones and internet so those days of communicating via your private ham station with someone on the other
side of the world being a "Big Deal" are now history.
The only way I could see fitting it into my life now is if it added some practical purpose. "Hobby" is not an option for me. I have other
things going on also. No time for a hobby.

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Thank you for your reply to my comments. As you said, "To each his own."

I am curious why you stated that in 21 years you will be 100 years old. Is that your life expectancy? That would probably mean that you are now approximately 79 years old, a relative youngster for those fortunate enough to make it to 100 without serious illness or running out of money.

I doubt that I will live much longer. My father died of cancer when he was only 82. My mother died at age 85, from complications of anesthesia, after she fell and struck her head against a tool box someone had left in her bedroom. Not blaming anyone: that tool box had to be placed somewhere. Because of health issues, I no longer make long-range plans. I just live my life one day at a time. Even with just twenty-four hours in a day, a third of which are usually occupied by sleep, that still leaves me sixteen hours to do whatever I please in retirement.

The key word here is "retirement". If you are "retired" it means you no longer need to work to have an income. Most of the world does not have a retirement plan: you work every day until you die. In America, most of the population is eligible to collect an income from Social Security after a certain age, if they have contributed for a specified number of years as determined by law.

I am going to assume that you, John, are eligible to collect SS income or income from your service to the Government. It may not be enough income for your life style, so perhaps you desire to supplement with a "side gig" and are now somewhat interested in electronics, citing your previous experience in this area. Do I have that right? You don't NEED extra income, but DESIRE that your life in retirement be USEFUL. Some extra income would support this, right? Or are you just here to troll us?

It pleases me to continue to pursue my electronics hobby, which eventually led me to a career in electronics. This was not without problems. My father, for example, did not understand how my spending so much time in the basement futzing with radios and stuff was in any way productive. He also didn't understand Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity, which I accepted but could not explain to him either.

So, one day, I decided to take what I had learned so far and put it to use by building an SCR (silicon controlled rectifier) light dimmer. This occurred in the early 1960s and SCRs were starting to become ubiquitous and affordable for hobbyists.

Dad, when he was not out and about (or flying in airplanes for the U.S. Air Force), liked to read the newspaper in the living room with a floor-lamp behind his reading chair. I built the SCR dimmer into a small sheet aluminum "Bud box" with a convenience outlet, a power cord, a fuse holder, and a potentiometer for SCR phase control mounted on the exterior. I think I used a stud-mounted SCR and mounted the heat sink externally, too. Then I plugged it all in, including the floor-lamp, and waited for Dad's approval.

It didn't come. He did notice that what I had built worked to control the brightness of his reading lamp, but he wasn't impressed. His "so what" attitude might possibly have been because he could purchase a dimmer the size of a wall switch at Home Depot or Lowe's, but I think those might have come out a few years later. COTS (commercial off the shelf) equipment is always less expensive than custom-made.

I tried real hard not to show any emotion at Dad's nonplus reaction, but inside I was crushed. Nothing I did seemed to please my father. The only thing I could think of to do was to see an Air Force recruiter and hope to get an assignment that had something to do with electronics.

It's hard to impress someone who has spent most of their life dropping bombs on Nazi Germany from a B-17 and then, later, carrying a bomb bay full of nuclear weapons on a B-47 for a one-way trip to the USSR that (thank God) never had to occur. "Peace Is Our Profession" was the Strategic Air Command (SAC) motto when Dad served. Mine, too, after I graduated high school and joined the Air Force as an enlisted airman, not an officer, and for only four years, not a career. Peace Through Strength is also a good motto, but mottoes are supposed to be only inspirational, not directive.

Regarding ham radio, it is true that technology now allows inexpensive conversations between people in far corners of the world. So what? I know of almost no one anywhere else in the world, much less their telephone number. So that capability is of no use to me, at least right now and probably in the future. But that isn't the purpose, or the main capability, of ham radio, of which there are many uses.

Ham radio is sometimes the ONLY means of communication when land lines and cell phone towers are incapacitated by local events, such as tornadoes, hurricanes, wild fires, and civil insurrection. There may be other circumstances where hams can aid their local community, for example by promoting STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Science) courses in schools from K - 12. I could go on and on about ham radio, but instead I suggest you visit https://arrl.org for a more nuanced view of ham radio. Or visit a lending library, where I am sure there are a lot of books on the subject. I think your view of ham radio is rather sophomoric.

One of the things that some hams like to do is to "chase DX," which means to try to contact another ham in a country other than your own using ham radio frequencies. I don't participate in this activity, but if a ham has deep pockets full of cash, a powerful transmitter, a sensitive receiver, and a good "antenna farm" this is an ideal way to separate hard-earned cash from your pockets.

Some hams spend thousands of dollars traveling to less-visited places (like islands no one has ever heard of, located in places that are difficult to reach) to "activate" a "rare" entity. These trips are called DXpeditions. They are supported by DX chasers who donate money to the effort. It is quite a large niche in the ham radio universe, but as I said, not for me and not for every ham either. And ALL ham radio activity is niche activity. The rest of the world couldn't care less about amateur radio, yet most nations support it.

Ham radio is of course a hobby. Hams pursue it for the sheer pleasure of making contacts with people they would otherwise never meet. Some of us participate in public events, such as marathon races, to monitor the contestants and notify appropriate authorities if someone gets into trouble. After I was re-licensed in 2013 as an amateur radio operator in Dayton OH, I participated as a ham volunteer for the Air Force Marathon, held at Wright-Patterson AFB every year. Participation required a two-way handheld radio (not a cell phone!) network to coordinate all the amateur radio volunteers.

It appears that you, John, are not interested in hobbies. Or if you once were, you now have no time for it. But it does beg the question: Why would you come to an electronics hobby forum asking for advice? This thread has the title "Not Understanding Arduino useage versus traditional Electronics useage in Devices." I wonder (after 45 messages) whether that has been answered to your satisfaction? If not, perhaps a moderator can terminate this thread (which does not seem to be going anywhere) so you can start yet another one, as you already have. What is your take on that suggestion?
 

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Answers to Your questions.


I am curious why you stated that in 21 years you will be 100 years old.


Because that gives me perspective, including how experimenting with electronics, based on my schooling many years ago
might fit in to how I see living out the rest of my life. 100 is considered successfully long life in this day and age.
If I look back 21 years now, I realize how fast time flies.


I just live my life one day at a time.

That's one way to look at it and a valid way too. I'm different I still plan things, maybe its foolish, maybe its not.
Actually you could look at "one day at a time" living even when you are 30 years old or younger. Death doesn't respect age.


......are eligible to collect SS income or income from your service to the Government

I get some minimal fixed income, but it's not enough to survive. A lot of older people need more income to survive
and have to work past retirement age.


I think your view of ham radio is rather sophomoric.

My point was that ham radio used to be more significant in directly communicating with people around the world
because other than telephones or snail mail it was the only way that could be accomplished. Back several decades
ago I recall you could have up to a 2000 watt transmitter for Voice. As far as "deep pockets", I don't have any.

I am well aware of ham radio used for emergencies as you described in this current era That is the default
description of ham radio on the ARRL website, especially if someone says anything about ham radio being out of
date for the modern world. I also get that ham radio is primarily a hobby and a hands on platform for building and
experimenting with radio tech for the electronics wizards out there.


Why would you come to an electronics hobby forum asking for advice?

Is this only an "electronics hobby forum?" I thought it was an "electronics subject forum?


Considering the latter, I came here to get some different perspectives on where electronics might
fit into a retired persons life, who has an interest but not work experience, and not as a hobby.
Like I said, there are only 24 hours in a day, and electronics does take up a lot of time & skill, you have to admit.
One person said "Maybe you should just take up Fishing and forget electronics" which is a valid point.
I've just been looking for the justification and I thought may be this would be a good forum to hear some different POVs.



This thread has the title "Not Understanding Arduino useage versus traditional Electronics useage in Devices." I wonder (after 45 messages)
Or are you just here to troll us?

People here sure are hung up on trolling. What is it with the Trolling fascination?

I just came here to ask some questions and get different perspectives as I described above.
Contrary to what you think about all the suggestions offered to me here, I did get some insight
into the answers to my inquiry. It seems that "DEEP" electronics, to make extra money might be
beyond me, even with my selected college courses. "Everyday Repair" knowledge may be the answer
in my case, where I gather enough skill and knowledge to fix some gear that is not too complex.
I always like to compare it to an auto. I haven't built an engine or transmission, but I have changed
flywheels, ring gears and clutch plates besides, spark plugs, air filters, hose and belts plus a lot of
other car repairs. I think that may be the way I can approach electronics. after all is said and suggestions
I got here helped. Arduino may be a shortcut in some ways also. I need to examine the practical applications
where Microcontrollers can be practical since they are the big thing nowadays., but only if they save some time.


If not, perhaps a moderator can terminate this thread. this thread does not seem to be going anywhere

Fine. No problem with me. I got some good answers. Maybe others in similar situations can learn from this thread.
 
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It seems that "DEEP" electronics, to make extra money might be
beyond me, even with my selected college courses.
Yes John
There is no fast knuckle ride.
No your limits!. Try new stuff for free.
But, I’m sorry, you’re still asking the same questions about an extra income. We can’t tell you what you’re capable of!.
John, be daring and give it a go. You might enjoy it!.
 

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Yes John
There is no fast knuckle ride.

Not sure what a "fast knuckle ride" is, and it's not just about extra income, (although would be nice). it's also about "value added activity".
Electronics experimentation is very time consuming, I know that much. As a hobby it would be a waste of time for me personally maybe
not so for others. Each persons situation is different and how a person uses their free time is an individual choice. Being "daring" is not
the goal. Utilization of "time" is. I still am fascinated by its association with physics and atomic structure of material. We live in an electric universe, but working on electronics experimentation in your garage is about how much free time you have and how you want to use your free time. Making a living at electronics evidently requires as one person says, a "sheepskin" and a commitment to a 9-5 situation at least and experience at best. I'm too old for that. At best I'll probably use it (& learn more) according to whatever "practical" opportunity might or might not come up on a "need to know" basis, in front of me, for the task at hand, if any. Just as I learned to adjust shim thickness for crankshaft end play adjacent to the flywheel on my Volkswagon engine. Practical necessity is what helped me learn that. I think the same principle applies to electronics gear.
You learn as much as you need, to do the task that demands your attention that pops up in front of you.
Maybe Arduino or other microcontrollers will make it a little easier. I'll learn what I need to learn if the situation arises, Ohms law considered.

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Just for "Posterity" and anyone who reads this thread, in a similar situation, let me list what I concluded about electronics for me personally @ 79 yrs old with about one year of college electronics many decades ago. Note: I only worked in that field as assembler and solderer for 1 year & I did inspect critical assemblies and soldering to NASA standards, and I was Certified as such.

1)
I find Electronics fascinating as a branch of Physics and working to some degree, with the Atomic structure of matter via electrons.
2) As a hobby it would be a waste of time for me, unless I was confined for some reason, and had very little mobility and unable
to do much physically, like being confined in a wheelchair for example. Then focusing on electronics experimentation makes sense.
3) As a primary source of income, I'm too old to go down that road of college degree and 9-5 workdays competing with young adepts.
4) For someone who is working in electronics 9-5 having it as a hobby would be value added as it could allow increased learning.
5) As a part-time source of income, i.e. "Repair business" I really don't have enough experience unless the problem was very obvious.
6) BEST OPTION: Learning as I go with a needed expensive repair in front of me, DIY, out of necessity, would be worth the time and research
if I could save money on repair costs or gear replacement. Time versus money saved would be the impetus and guidance for that attempt. Learning a little here and there casually, will add up for future repair skills, without "pushing it" as "my hobby".
7) Electronics products currently have become so devalued to the point of easy throwaway junk and just buying a new replacement
that electronics repair has pretty much become an obsolete skill. May be good for repairing specialized gear in a Company however.
8) Electronics Engineering seems to be the real skill level required currently. Also I see and read about EEs being disappointed with
how they are treated in companies as faceless numbers who can be quickly used and eliminated.
9) Electronics has become "black box" oriented with more emphasis on software and coding as replacement skills.
10) I can't justify spending "Time" on electronics experimentation for "Fun".. Maybe if I hit the Lotto before I die, I might give it a try.
 
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