Observing single electron flow

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Roy McCammon

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
But I think there's a clean, cheap way to clearly demonstrate
non-averaged single-electron leakage using common bench instruments
and a few bucks worth of parts from Digikey.

Seems like I recall from long ago a technique with a vibrating
plate capacitor. You are effectively changing the capacitance.
The signal energy is supplies by the mechanical motion. The
extra electron isn't used up; it merely provides coupling
of the mechanical source to an AC amplifier. They claimed
the ability to see single electrons, but I don't remember
how they got the electrons onto the vibrating plate capacitor
and I don't remember how they got it off.
 
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Roy McCammon

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul said:
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corollary is that there are in fact, a vast number of multiple
universes with all the unsatisfactory consequences that carries with
it.

The multiple universe interpretation has not (and I suspect
can not) achieve corollary status. But you can say that
physics as we know it doesn't deny the possibility of multiple universes.

But, philosophically, to me, the multiple universes interpretation
is unsatisfactory, because if every thing that can happen does
happen, then there is no free will and no moral consequences. Life,
the universe, and everything becomes a still life artwork that is
only passively experienced.
 
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Kevin Aylward

Jan 1, 1970
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Roy said:
The multiple universe interpretation has not (and I suspect
can not) achieve corollary status. But you can say that
physics as we know it doesn't deny the possibility of multiple
universes.

But, philosophically, to me, the multiple universes interpretation
is unsatisfactory, because if every thing that can happen does
happen, then there is no free will and no moral consequences.

This conclusion is not unique to the MWI. It is fundamental to how it
seems to be.
Life,
the universe, and everything becomes a still life artwork that is
only passively experienced.

Yep. This indeed appears to be the case. Conscious awareness is a VDU.
It plays no part in any action. Electrochemical processes make
everything happen.

If you propose that there is more to us, please suggest a physical
mechanism as to how this might come about. I know of none.

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/specialreplicators.html

Kevin Aylward
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Paul Burridge

Jan 1, 1970
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Some important person said "If quantum mechanics doesn't frighten you,
you haven't studied it enough."

It was probably Kevin. :)
 
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Paul Burridge

Jan 1, 1970
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But, philosophically, to me, the multiple universes interpretation
is unsatisfactory, because if every thing that can happen does
happen, then there is no free will and no moral consequences. Life,
the universe, and everything becomes a still life artwork that is
only passively experienced.

Nietzsche and Schopenhauer came to this conclusion over a century
before the advent of QM theory. Try reading 'Will to Power' and 'The
World as Will and Representation.'
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Seems like I recall from long ago a technique with a vibrating
plate capacitor. You are effectively changing the capacitance.
The signal energy is supplies by the mechanical motion. The
extra electron isn't used up; it merely provides coupling
of the mechanical source to an AC amplifier. They claimed
the ability to see single electrons, but I don't remember
how they got the electrons onto the vibrating plate capacitor
and I don't remember how they got it off.

I'd think that would work. The vibrating thing could be tiny, with a
very small capacitive gap, and it's not hard to resolve sub-nm
movements this way. A scanning-force-microscope cantelever should
easily resolve the force associated with a single electron, since they
graph atomic forces already. They don't use capacitance as the
readout, they just bounce a laser beam off a mirror on the cantelever,
and dump the reflection into a photodetector, and observe the beam
bend when atomic forces appear. You can buy SFM cantelevers cheap
nowadays, but I'd bet there's some simple homemade thing like you
suggest, that could be read out capacitively. You could just let the
charge leak off and watch the steps, or ping it with UV or xrays to
knock off the occasional electron.

The part I thought you could use is an eprom.

John
 
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Roy McCammon

Jan 1, 1970
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Kevin said:
This conclusion is not unique to the MWI. It is fundamental to how it
seems to be.

were you raised with that belief, or did you come to it later?
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Roy said:
The multiple universe interpretation has not (and I suspect
can not) achieve corollary status. But you can say that
physics as we know it doesn't deny the possibility of multiple universes.

But, philosophically, to me, the multiple universes interpretation
is unsatisfactory, because if every thing that can happen does
happen, then there is no free will and no moral consequences. Life,
the universe, and everything becomes a still life artwork that is
only passively experienced.

It's a matter of focus. Everything is true, and everything is
simultaneous, but we limit our perceptions and focus on that which
is of interest to us. Or comprehensible. :)

The ether is infinitely rigid, but it's also vibrating at every
possible frequency simlutaneously. It takes an awful lot of work
to learn to tune your receiver enough to sense your _own_ vibrations,
let alone sort out everybody and everything else's!
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Kevin said:
If you propose that there is more to us, please suggest a physical
mechanism as to how this might come about. I know of none.
It's a very complex and intricate mechanism, indeed. You're unaware of
it, because the reality of All was overwhelming to your fledgling
spirit, so you shut most of yourself down.

If you want to learn to unleash your power, and bring the rest of
your own essence back to life, "Right Use of Will" might be of
interest to you.

http://www.kornax.com/Right_Use_of_Will_Excerpt.htm
 
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Roy McCammon

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich said:
Roy McCammon wrote:




It's a matter of focus. Everything is true, and everything is
simultaneous, but we limit our perceptions and focus on that which
is of interest to us. Or comprehensible. :)

about like appreciating a Grecian urn by dragging an
ice pick across it, _once_ !
 
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Kevin Aylward

Jan 1, 1970
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Roy said:
were you raised with that belief, or did you come to it later?

It was deduced from the facts, after the fact. The facts are basic
physics and the Darwinian axioms,
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html.

A truly independent, action taking individual requires a *new* physics
axiom. Its that simple. I see no evidence that such a new axiom is
required to account for any experimental result. I gave a link to the
underlying rational as to what we are
http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/specialreplicators.html. Yes, an
object, in principle using QM, can exist that produces an output not
deterministically related to its input, however, there is no "I" that
has any control of this action. This logic is inescapable.

As far as moral consequences are concerned, I have explained what morals
are here http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/morals.html. There is no
fundamental wrong and right. As I keep pointing out. We just exist as a
consequence of the laws of physics, and what we observe is simply that
which replicates the most. Period. Its what forms the essentials of our
moral memes. Morals that result in actions that lead to extinction of
their Replicaters (i.e. us), are not observed much, as duhh... they
extinct those Replicaters that hold those morals, i.e. we don't observe
them as they don't exist. The basics of life is truly that simple.

"That which is mostly observed, is that which replicates the most."

Kevin Aylward
[email protected]
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
 
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Kevin Aylward

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich said:
It's a very complex and intricate mechanism, indeed. You're unaware of
it, because the reality of All was overwhelming to your fledgling
spirit, so you shut most of yourself down.

If you want to learn to unleash your power, and bring the rest of
your own essence back to life, "Right Use of Will" might be of
interest to you.

http://www.kornax.com/Right_Use_of_Will_Excerpt.htm

Your kidding, right? This is completely crap. Its about the biggest load
of verbal effluent that I have seen for a while.

As I have already noted, what we are and what life is all about is
explained here http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html.

Kevin Aylward
[email protected]
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
 
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