PC Based Oscilliscopes

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Rich Webb

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks for all the input, I am going to pass on the PC stuff and shop EBay
and ?? for a good used scope. Any recommendations other than EBay?

There are several places around the internet that sell reconditioned
test equipment. You might end up spending a bit more than at ebay but
you (should be) getting something that has been cleaned, op tested, and
has all of its parts. Possibly also a better warranty.

There are a jillion out there, but a couple that I get periodic catalogs
from are:
http://www.testequity.com/
http://www.testequipmentconnection.com/
 
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mike

Jan 1, 1970
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Dale said:
??? He said his budget is $200 - $300, and he can buy a older Tek or
HP 100 MHz dual trace 'scope for that kind of money.

Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA
WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WZZU Lynchburg VA, WMNA/WMNA-FM Gretna VA,
WOWZ Appomattox VA
http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml

PC scopes "can" be good, but you'll pay thru the nose for one.
The cheapo ones are way less capable than a standalone except in
specific narrow applications.

Ham radio swap meets are the best places to buy used scopes.
Tektronix 7000 series is an excellent place to start. Plugins can be
had on EBAY, but mainframes are too heavy to ship safely/affordably.
Portables like 453, 465 are also excellent scopes. Make sure you get
manuals. If you have to buy used manuals, they'll cost you more than
the scope. Ditto for probes.

If you have an urgent need and are losing money cause you don't have a
scope, by all means go see a used equipment dealer. You'll pay 10X the
price, but you might get a reliable scope.
If it's a hobby application, go to some swap meets. Buy the best scope
you can for $20. Keep your eye out for a killer deal on a TEK or HP
scope to replace it. They are available cheap if you're vigilant.

I have a killer TEK TDS540 for sale at the link in the sig. It's $2K
and that's still 25% of what you'd pay at a used dealer. You don't even
want to know what they cost new.
mike

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Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
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Dr. Anton T. Squeegee

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks for all the input, I am going to pass on the PC stuff and shop EBay
and ?? for a good used scope. Any recommendations other than EBay?

Sure. Check http://www.arrl.org/hamfests.html for hamfests in your
area. They happen all over the country (heck, all over the world) at
various times during the year, and the swap meet portion of any hamfest
bears (usually) a 95% or higher focus on electronics in terms of test
gear, radios, computers, etc.

If you've never been to such an event in your life, I would
(SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT) take a look at an article I wrote on my own page
at this link: http://www.bluefeathertech.com/technoid/Scrounger.html

This is a guide to scrounging at both surplus places and swap
meets. I hope you find it helpful.

Happy hunting.


--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"
 
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Telamon

Jan 1, 1970
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Dr. Anton T. Squeegee said:
< Top-posting corrected. Please don't top-post! See this link for
the reason why: http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost



Sure. Check http://www.arrl.org/hamfests.html for hamfests in your
area. They happen all over the country (heck, all over the world) at
various times during the year, and the swap meet portion of any
hamfest bears (usually) a 95% or higher focus on electronics in terms
of test gear, radios, computers, etc.

If you've never been to such an event in your life, I would
(SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT) take a look at an article I wrote on my own
page at this link:
http://www.bluefeathertech.com/technoid/Scrounger.html

This is a guide to scrounging at both surplus places and swap meets.
I hope you find it helpful.

Happy hunting.

It is very rare for a cross posted article to RRS to be useful. Most are
Trolls. I enjoyed your web page on scrounging. I'm taken aback on the
prices that you posted about equipment however quoted below.
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee wrote:

A TDS7104 sold new in the $30K to $40K range depending on options. I
have priced this scope at used equipment resellers in the $8 to $10K
range. The equipment is sold in calibration and working with a short
warranty like 30 days for verification that the equipment is in proper
working condition from resellers.

At prices under $1K even with no guarantees I expect this equipment is
hot at those prices. All equipment from the major makers have serial
numbers throughout the equipment and in the firmware. If you ever send
this equipment in for repair you might be in for an unpleasant surprise.

In the last few years there is a new class of scope called real time.
The reason I'm responding to this thread is that you just happened to
mention a real time scope the TDS7104. Tek calls real time scopes DPO or
Digital Phosphor scopes. Most digital scope are repetitive sampling
making them a poor choice for low frequency events like an intermittent
pulse and these are useless for high speed single shot events. The DPO's
resemble an analog scope with memory. There are the best suited digital
type for single shot or low frequently occurring events. The DPO's are
designed for a very high re-acquisition rate compared to digital
sampling types, which is why they are better suited for the low
frequency events as they are more likely to be actually sampling the
input during an event rather than being in another part of the
processing cycle. DPO's have a rapid processing cycle and also have most
of that cycle being actual sample time so they are able to catch that
infrequent pulse. The repetitive sample high speed scopes generally have
cycle times of 200KHz or slower and most of that cycle time is signal
processing and display. Repetitive sampling scopes are good at any type
of recurring signal like clocks. They are poor choice at looking at data
streams with long patterns. The only way you can look at long patterns
is at the bit level or eye mode.
 
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Ed Price

Jan 1, 1970
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Telamon said:
SNIP


It is very rare for a cross posted article to RRS to be useful. Most are
Trolls. I enjoyed your web page on scrounging. I'm taken aback on the
prices that you posted about equipment however quoted below.


A TDS7104 sold new in the $30K to $40K range depending on options. I
have priced this scope at used equipment resellers in the $8 to $10K
range. The equipment is sold in calibration and working with a short
warranty like 30 days for verification that the equipment is in proper
working condition from resellers.

At prices under $1K even with no guarantees I expect this equipment is
hot at those prices. All equipment from the major makers have serial
numbers throughout the equipment and in the firmware. If you ever send
this equipment in for repair you might be in for an unpleasant surprise.

In the last few years there is a new class of scope called real time.
The reason I'm responding to this thread is that you just happened to
mention a real time scope the TDS7104.


No, he didn't. He was describing the Tek 7000 series mainframes and
plug-ins, NOT any of the TDS series scopes. There are many years, and a
world of difference, between the two.

Ed
wb6wsn
 
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Telamon

Jan 1, 1970
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Ed Price said:
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No, he didn't. He was describing the Tek 7000 series mainframes and
plug-ins, NOT any of the TDS series scopes. There are many years, and a
world of difference, between the two.

Sorry about that. That sort of thing happens when manufactures reuse
numbers.
 
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Wm.M.Chiaramonte

Jan 1, 1970
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Dale said:
??? He said his budget is $200 - $300, and he can buy a older Tek or
HP 100 MHz dual trace 'scope for that kind of money.

Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA
WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WZZU Lynchburg VA, WMNA/WMNA-FM Gretna VA,
WOWZ Appomattox VA
http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml

Mine he can't! Are you talking analog or digital? I own one that does
both (TEK 2232) but wouldn't dream of parting with it for anything like
$300+. I've looked at refurb house prices and even there you will shell
out >= $1k for a digital scope. If he is trying to decide on either a
conventional "lab" scope or a PC-based one let's compare apples to
apples shall we?!

ww
 
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