Political argument (Yeah, this is going to end well)

[CDRIVE]

With respect to that thread... Some people want to learn to fish, others just want to be given fish.

I'm only aware of some of the changes in Australia in my life time. Here in the U.S. it's a damn nightmare. Our downward slide began in the mid 1960's when Marxists realized they would never get a solid foot hold in the U.S. and saw the Hippie movement as an ideal petri dish to fester in. When the Hippies seemingly faded into history many thought it was just that... a youthful passing fad. How wrong they were. They didn't fade away at all. Instead, they graduated college and became teachers, professors, journalists, lawyers and judges. By the way,.. Judges are nothing more than lawyers in a black robes! Anyway back to the hippies...It's doubtful that more than 10% of them ever moved on into the business world. Most became educators. .. About 0% were taught any of the sciences, unless you consider psychology a science. The vast majority of them graduated with liberal arts degrees.


Fast forward to 2012. Up is down and down is up. The Hippies had propagated themselves. Now they and their demon seed are fully entrenched. They have their hooks into the nation's youth right from kindergarten all the way up through college. You will be hard pressed to find a teacher, at any level, that's not a flaming lefty. The media is infested too. The only network that's not been totally infiltrated is Fox News.


What relevance does this have to this thread and Steve's quote?... Why, everything! The current crop of college students in the U.S. can't find Florida on a map. Yet, it sticks out of the SE coast like a giant pen!s! I kid you not! I've watched countless on the street and party time interviews with these dim wits and they parrot all the lefty drivel but can't name the vice president of the United States or who George Washington was. When asked.. Should the government pay for your health care? They say yes. How about your tuition? Absolutely! How about your housing?.. Right on! Where does it end? Should the govt buy you a car too? Hey, that's a great idea! Why do you feel the world owes you something? .. Because my mommy and daddy told me I'm special.


Yup, it's a brave new world. No winners. No losers. We're all even. When a recent survey asked college students if they thought cheating was wrong or dishonorable, the results were down right sickening! Very few had any concept of term dishonorable and saw nothing wrong with cheating. The schools are churning out takers faster than the producers can pay for them and their "Gimme" attitude!


Come this November you folks in the S. Pacific will hopefully experience a minor title surge. Not to worry though! It's just us on this side of the pond flushing the toilet! If you hear a voice yelling " You think you made that?!" "You didn't build that!" "Someone else did that"! "Government built your roads so you could have a business"!.... Just ignore it. It's just toxic waste being expelled!

Now that I've got that off my chest I feel much better.
Chris

 

[donkey]

 

[(*steve*)]

Should the government pay for your health care? They say yes. How about your tuition? Absolutely!

Haha That's funny Chris.

However I think it's well balanced by the right wing nutters who think the government should provide its citizens with police and military.

What's the second amendment for if the Government was supposed to stick it's nose in there?

 

[CocaCola]

What's the second amendment for if the Government was supposed to stick it's nose in there?

In a researched historical perspective void of nanny politics, the 2nd comes out very well defined...

It served two purposes to better provide for national security (with an armed civilian militia that could be called upon to assist the police and government when in need, actually written in law at that time period) and also to ensure that the people (civilian population) was not helpless at their own defense, be it for the defense from a foreign or domestic invader or a government out of control, a topic very much at the forefront when the authors wrote it...

 

[CDRIVE]

Haha That's funny Chris.

However I think it's well balanced by the right wing nutters who think the government should provide its citizens with police and military.

What's the second amendment for if the Government was supposed to stick it's nose in there?

Steve, United States Constitution has provided for the nation's defense since its signing. In fact, it's one of the very few powers that was given the federal govt at the time. There is nothing in there that provides for police, which is a State and local matter. We are not a Democracy as children are taught today. We are supposed to be a Representative Republic of Sovereign States, all of which is being usurped by the Feds.

The Second Amendment was the most brilliant of all our Bill Of Rights. It's intended to be the guarantor of all the other rights.

By the way, I don't equate U.S. national defense as license to be the World Police!

Anyway, it's undeniable that the entitlement and PC mentality is killing us and many other countries. It breeds mediocrity.

Here's a video that sums up my feelings. And no, I didn't vote for him last time. He's hell bent on shredding our Constitution.

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By the way, I was very saddened when Australians lost their gun rights. You guys should fight to get them back.

Chris

 

[CDRIVE]

and also to ensure that the people (civilian population) was not helpless at their own defense, be it for the defense from a foreign or domestic invader or a government out of control, a topic very much at the forefront when the authors wrote it...

Funny CC, It's not out of control now? Watch the vid. You'll bust a gut!

Chris

 

[GonzoEngineer]

As a Vietnam Veteran, all I can say is...

The biggest mistake we made back then is we should have kicked more hippies asses
than we did the Viet Cong!

 

[CDRIVE]

As a Vietnam Veteran, all I can say is...

The biggest mistake we made back then is we should have kicked more hippies asses
than we did the Viet Cong!

Welcome home brother and Amen to that!

We got egged and spit on as soon as our boots hit the tarmac in California. We did not break ranks though!

588th Combat Engineers
Based In the Delta about 40 Klicks north of Cu Chi
Class of 66

Chris

 

[shrtrnd]

I was wondering what happened to all of us when we got back.
The hippies are now the government beaurocrats, college professors, lawyers, judges, and other assorted control freaks.
As for the 2nd Amendment, maybe the Founding Fathers saw this coming, and
wanted to make sure it didn't go too far?
It's probably hard for somebody in another country to see this the way some of us
here in the States do.

 

[(*steve*)]

I think some of the hippies wonder if there was anything over there worth losing a war (and lives) for. They might be wondering the same in two current theatres (except for the oil that's there).

 

[GreenGiant]

I think if they got rid of (or at least restricted) the Pension, system the whole country would work better. Working for the Senate, 120-150,000 per year, 6 year contract, you retire after that and you make 80% of your salary for the rest of your life, make that a 3 year pension, or make it the more terms you serve the longer you get it for, not 6 years working then a lifelong retirement, that is just asinine

Also I find it interesting that the country is more than willing to dump BILLIONS into "fixing" problems overseas, but hesitates to spend a dime on things in the country, like infrastructure.

 

[GonzoEngineer]

I think some of the hippies wonder if there was anything over there worth losing a war (and lives) for. They might be wondering the same in two current theatres (except for the oil that's there).

First of all, America didn't lose the Vietnam war, the South Vietnamese lost it.

The American people lost their will, but the American soldiers never lost a battle.

I have friends that are your fellow countrymen, and we fought along side each other in Vietnam (1st RAR, 173rd Airborne Brigade). If you talk to them maybe would learn why
we were there.

The only people who appreciated what we did back then were the Vietnamese people!

And it was a noble cause....

 

[shrtrnd]

That started with SEATO, anybody remember that?
You know, the 'NATO' of the Pacific.
What started as an idea with Kennedy, got misjudged by Johnson.
Ever read General Giap's memoirs?
The U.S. somehow decided to honor their commitments to the region buy involving
troops. When things got hot, the U.S. started bombing for compliance. Giap got
worried, was considering surrender, when the bombing temporarily stopped.
Instead of 'committing' to a resolution the U.S. thought it was honoring, the gov't
decided to be humane.
My view is that the original intention to honor the treaties was understandable.
My view is also that the decision to completely avoid committment to a swift resolution
was typical of panty-waist liberal world-view.
The result was a protracted 'quagmire' that was designed to prevent victory by anyone,
and therefore a final resolution of the conflict.
It's easy to say the U.S. had no business there, considering how the U.S. handled it,
most everybody agrees.
My beef, was in committing troops to a conflict the U.S. had no intention of allowing
them to win.
Yeah, there are parallels to what the U.S. is doing in the Middle East.
Everybody's got their two-cents worth opinion, that's mine.
As for the original post, the condition of the U.S. populous was accurately described.
It ain't pretty, the direction we're headed.

 

[donkey]

I think if they got rid of (or at least restricted) the Pension, system the whole country would work better. Working for the Senate, 120-150,000 per year, 6 year contract, you retire after that and you make 80% of your salary for the rest of your life, make that a 3 year pension, or make it the more terms you serve the longer you get it for, not 6 years working then a lifelong retirement, that is just asinine

Also I find it interesting that the country is more than willing to dump BILLIONS into "fixing" problems overseas, but hesitates to spend a dime on things in the country, like infrastructure.

here in Australia they only have to serve 1 term (3 years) to get that pension. My theory is slightly different to yours though green.
whatever the politicians LOWEST approval rating is that is the percentage of their pension they are entitled too.. this will make them work for the people again

 

[CDRIVE]

I think some of the hippies wonder if there was anything over there worth losing a war (and lives) for.

Yes, one does tend to do quite a bit of wondering when your brain is frying on daily cocktail of LSD, Crystal Meth, Heroin, Coke, Uppers, Downers and psychobabble.

The irony is the free love, free speech, anti establishment, anti government, Hippies all morphed into control freaks. Now they're the thought police too!

Don McClean said it best "The day the music died"

Chris

 

[(*steve*)]

this will make them work for the people again

No, it will just make them "populist".

What we need is to give them 5 years of pension, then review their performance in Government with 5 years of hindsight. And repeat it every 5 years.

Give them some incentive to act in the long term good of the country.

Another good idea is that we should put to death any politician who votes for going to war, if that war is not "popular" after 5 years. Sure, I'll support them. They've put their lives on the line too.

 

[(*steve*)]

The irony is the free love, free speech, anti establishment, anti government, Hippies all morphed into control freaks. Now they're the thought police too!

Don McClean said it best "The day the music died"

The Vietnam war was because of Roger Peterson?

 

[shrtrnd]

That was a war?
I thought it was a 'protective reaction strike'.
I don't remember anybody declaring it a war.

 

[CDRIVE]

Let's make something clear here. Hippies, who are now Progressives, only rant about "unconstitutional wars" when it's not their war. Since the boy King took office there hasn't been a peep out of them.

Chris

 

[GonzoEngineer]

That was a war?
I thought it was a 'protective reaction strike'.
I don't remember anybody declaring it a war.

You sound like those old guy's in the VFW back in 1968.

I spent a year in the hospital......it was a war foe me!