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Using electronics at voting places in insane. It'll break or be
obsolete/unrepairable in a few years, and costs a fortune. Simple
paper ballots and OCR makes a lot more sense.

Personally I never saw a problem with the cards. If the voter looks at
his ballot before he drops it in the box he will see all of those
hanging chads and if the "PortaPunch" device is cleaned every decade
or so you won't have the dimpled /pregnant chads.
Once the cards get into the reader it should be 100% accurate and you
can always run them througfh again.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Personally I never saw a problem with the cards. If the voter looks at
his ballot before he drops it in the box he will see all of those
hanging chads and if the "PortaPunch" device is cleaned every decade
or so you won't have the dimpled /pregnant chads.
Once the cards get into the reader it should be 100% accurate and you
can always run them througfh again.

Use a PC and software (touch screen OK) to print a paper ballot which
clearly shows your vote. Count those.

 

[Dirk Bruere at NeoPax]

Have no fear. The vast majority of the voters may want the Democrats to
win but the president of Diebold is still a Republican. He has promiced
to ensure the *right* outcome.

I thought he was one of those killed at the Columbine shooting?

 

[krw]

One rather unappealing booby, equipped with a bizarre metallic
lampshade-looking ornament at that. *I* object to being exposed to
that!



US TV has managed to mess up science, sports, history, and news.
Better they should leave sex alone.

....and football.

 

[krw]

[...]
I would. Except that the Democrats are coming back into power. Time
to load up on arms and ammo ;-)


Have no fear. The vast majority of the voters may want the Democrats to
win but the president of Diebold is still a Republican. He has promiced
to ensure the *right* outcome.

I guess we Arizonans are way ahead of the times. Back to paper
ballots. Even the handicap touch screens produce paper hard-copies
that can be visually examined before turning in.

...Jim Thompson

Using electronics at voting places in insane. It'll break or be
obsolete/unrepairable in a few years, and costs a fortune. Simple
paper ballots and OCR makes a lot more sense.

You don't even need OCR. Ours look like a large version of an SAT
test. Color in the squares with a sharpie provided and they're
scanned by one machine at the door. There are 30-40 tables set up
so no line. Multiple precincts can use the same reader since the
ballots are scanned. The paper ballot is then available (locked
inside the scanner) for any necessary recounts. It's a very nice
system and certainly cheaper than some dumb PC gizmos.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

...and football.

Americans don't play football, it's some weird thing where they dress up in
body armour.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

You don't even need OCR. Ours look like a large version of an SAT
test. Color in the squares with a sharpie provided and they're
scanned by one machine at the door. There are 30-40 tables set up
so no line. Multiple precincts can use the same reader since the
ballots are scanned. The paper ballot is then available (locked
inside the scanner) for any necessary recounts. It's a very nice
system and certainly cheaper than some dumb PC gizmos.

While they were trying to count the ballots in FL in 2000, Canada held a
federal election all done with old fashioned ballots and black pencils. They
ran the campaign, held the vote, counted the ballots and declared the
winners all while FL still couldn't get the right count.

 

[Jim Thompson]

[...]
I would. Except that the Democrats are coming back into power. Time
to load up on arms and ammo ;-)


Have no fear. The vast majority of the voters may want the Democrats to
win but the president of Diebold is still a Republican. He has promiced
to ensure the *right* outcome.


I guess we Arizonans are way ahead of the times. Back to paper
ballots. Even the handicap touch screens produce paper hard-copies
that can be visually examined before turning in.

...Jim Thompson

Using electronics at voting places in insane. It'll break or be
obsolete/unrepairable in a few years, and costs a fortune. Simple
paper ballots and OCR makes a lot more sense.

You don't even need OCR. Ours look like a large version of an SAT
test. Color in the squares with a sharpie provided and they're
scanned by one machine at the door. There are 30-40 tables set up
so no line. Multiple precincts can use the same reader since the
ballots are scanned. The paper ballot is then available (locked
inside the scanner) for any necessary recounts. It's a very nice
system and certainly cheaper than some dumb PC gizmos.

Same here. Our ballots are HUGE!

...Jim Thompson

 

[Ken Smith]

[...]

Have no fear. The vast majority of the voters may want the Democrats to
win but the president of Diebold is still a Republican. He has promiced
to ensure the *right* outcome.

I guess we Arizonans are way ahead of the times. Back to paper
ballots. Even the handicap touch screens produce paper hard-copies
that can be visually examined before turning in.

I expect things to go full circle. There is no reason enough people can't
be hired to make the manual counting of paper ballots happen in a timely
manner.

The machines will prove to actually be worse than the manual system and
people simply don't trust them. The lack of trust undermines the whole
idea of democracy.

 

[Ken Smith]

Use a PC and software (touch screen OK) to print a paper ballot which
clearly shows your vote. Count those.

New flash from the year 2012:

In a surprising turn of events, Bill Gates has won the election for
president as a write in candidate. When we reached Mr. Gates for comment
he said that the public obviously shares his vision of the future.

 

[Jim Yanik]

I guess we Arizonans are way ahead of the times. Back to paper
ballots. Even the handicap touch screens produce paper hard-copies
that can be visually examined before turning in.

...Jim Thompson

I wonder if Ken S. has a cite on Diebold's president saying he'd "ensure
the "right" outcome",or if Ken S.just THINKS he means to distort the vote
count? IMO,Ken is deranged.

and of course,the VRWC would ensure that no Diebold employee would spill
the beans on this illegal act. B-)

 

[Jim Yanik]

[...]
I would. Except that the Democrats are coming back into power.
Time to load up on arms and ammo ;-)


Have no fear. The vast majority of the voters may want the Democrats
to win but the president of Diebold is still a Republican. He has
promiced to ensure the *right* outcome.

I guess we Arizonans are way ahead of the times. Back to paper
ballots. Even the handicap touch screens produce paper hard-copies
that can be visually examined before turning in.

...Jim Thompson

Using electronics at voting places in insane. It'll break or be
obsolete/unrepairable in a few years, and costs a fortune. Simple
paper ballots and OCR makes a lot more sense.

John

It sure works in Seminole County,Fl.

I'd like to see on-line voting using a secure voter registration number and
return email receipt.

 

[Jim Yanik]

One rather unappealing booby, equipped with a bizarre metallic
lampshade-looking ornament at that. *I* object to being exposed to
that!

Nipple jewelry.
And I think she got breast enhancement afterwards.
(FWIW,that solves the "unappealing booby" problem!)
;-)

But breast-feeding an infant in public is horrible. ???
IMO,one of the most natural things in the world.

IMO,the place that boob wes exposed was the WRONG place for such a thing.
I (and probably a great many US citizens)have no problem with it in
movies,or at selected beaches,etc.,but inappropriate at a sports half-time
show,Superbowl or any regular sports game.

And *I* believe it was deliberate,not an accident.
Just a dumb attempt to be outrageous,push the limits.

 

[Richard Henry]

The machines will prove to actually be worse than the manual system and
people simply don't trust them. The lack of trust undermines the whole
idea of democracy.

My first exposure to democracy was a Vermont town meeting back in the
fifties. Some issues were decided by voice vote, but the ballots for
some questions and each elected position were printed on
different-colored paper, and all ballots were placed in the same box.
When it came time to count, all the ballots were dumped out on a table,
sorted by color, and then the counting was done in public where anyone
who cared could watch.

 

[John Woodgate]

In message <[email protected]>,

My first exposure to democracy was a Vermont town meeting back in the
fifties. Some issues were decided by voice vote, but the ballots for
some questions and each elected position were printed on
different-colored paper, and all ballots were placed in the same box.
When it came time to count, all the ballots were dumped out on a table,
sorted by color, and then the counting was done in public where anyone
who cared could watch.

That's very well-managed. The 'dead vote' ballots were obviously put in
the box before the meeting. That's much better than 'discovering' them
under the table when the box is emptied. (.-)

 

[Ken Smith]

I wonder if Ken S. has a cite on Diebold's president saying he'd "ensure
the "right" outcome"

First off, you lose 2 points for not recognizing at joke. The "right"
outcome was a quip intended for JT.

The exact quote from 2004 is: "committed to helping Ohio deliver its
electoral votes to the president next year."

,or if Ken S.just THINKS he means to distort the vote
count?

No, I believe that he thinks that a republican victory is the right thing.

IMO,Ken is deranged.

BWAAAAAH You just don't like it when people disagree with you.

and of course,the VRWC would ensure that no Diebold employee would spill
the beans on this illegal act. B-)

Last time I checked, a lot of beans have been spilled. For that matter we
seem to be walking around up to our knees in spilled beans but people
don't seem to notice.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

One rather unappealing booby, equipped with a bizarre metallic
lampshade-looking ornament at that. *I* object to being exposed to
that!

And yet the video of her sunbathing nude and playing patty cake with her bum
was downloaded about 5 million times!

 

[John Larkin]

And yet the video of her sunbathing nude and playing patty cake with her bum
was downloaded about 5 million times!

There's no accounting for taste.

John

 

[Eeyore]

And *I* believe it was deliberate,not an accident.
Just a dumb attempt to be outrageous,push the limits.

Why else would she have been wearing a costume with strategically placed
detachable bits ?

Graham

 

[Homer J Simpson]

There's no accounting for taste.

Jessica Simpson proves that.