Predictable response

[Bobo The Chimp]

And yet the video of her sunbathing nude and playing patty cake with her bum
was downloaded about 5 million times!

What's the URL?

Why would a colored chick sunbathe?

Go away.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

What's the URL?
Gnutella.

Why would a colored chick sunbathe?

I'm not one. Ask her.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Well, in the United States, we have a little document called The
Constitution, which delineates precisely which rights are not to be
violated by the government, period.

Unfortunately, the power-tripping bureaucrats have been finding ways
around those protections for some years.

And the courts have been finding ways to get around them also. No knock
search warrants?

I wonder what would happen if you took a survey in the street, to
see who agrees with the Bill of Rights, or even knows what it is?

It's been done. Most Americans oppose them.

 

[Ken Smith]

No, there is one absolute right.

Free Will.

Is that guy Will in jail again?


Many people would not define "free will" as a right. "free will" can be
seen as a property of humans that in some cases causes them to act in ways
that they don't have a right to.

 

[Ken Smith]

It's sort of like a "gentlemen's agreement". You do, indeed, have the
"right" to set fire to your friend's house,

Absolutely not! Rights do not conflict. You have the right to stretch
out your arm to a certain point. That point is short of another persons
nose.

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

Absolutely not! Rights do not conflict. You have the right to stretch
out your arm to a certain point. That point is short of another persons
nose.

So, then, how do you recommend responding to someone who's out
there in your yard setting fire to your house?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich the Philosophizer]

Is that guy Will in jail again?
Heh.

Many people would not define "free will" as a right. "free will" can be
seen as a property of humans that in some cases causes them to act in ways
that they don't have a right to.

No, if a being overrides another being's Free Will, then the overriding
being has not been acting on Free Will, but some denial thereof.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[John Woodgate]

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Duh.

Oh, I guess you're one of the ones that didn't escape during the big
purge.

Sorry.

The question wasn't addressed to you. Bu since you've joined in, please
explain what you mean by 'liberty', and why 'happiness' isn't a right
per se; one has only a 'right to pursue' it.

 

[Ken Smith]

Many people would not define "free will" as a right. "free will" can be
seen as a property of humans that in some cases causes them to act in ways
that they don't have a right to.

No, if a being overrides another being's Free Will, then the overriding
being has not been acting on Free Will, but some denial thereof.[/QUOTE]

You obviously are using a definition of "feel will" or "acting on" that I
don't. I say that when a being chooses an action (ie: does not have one
imposed) that being is acting on its own "free will". I consider the
issue of whether the being had the right to make that action a seperate
issue.

 

[Ken Smith]

The question wasn't addressed to you. Bu since you've joined in, please
explain what you mean by 'liberty', and why 'happiness' isn't a right
per se; one has only a 'right to pursue' it.

I may as well jump in here on the "happiness" issue.

The right to pursue happiness allows one to undertake those actions which
lead to the state of happiness. I think the writers were concerned with
what actions were allowed more than what states were obtained. They were
writing an explaination of the reasons for limits on government actions.

 

[Ken Smith]

So, then, how do you recommend responding to someone who's out
there in your yard setting fire to your house?

When a person is violating rights by their actions, they can be prevented
from acting by whatever means is needed. Since they don't have the right
to burn your house, you can stop them from doing so. If you can stop them
by shining a flashlight in their eyes and saying "get the hell out of my
yard", you don't have the right to kill them.

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

The question wasn't addressed to you. Bu since you've joined in, please
explain what you mean by 'liberty', and why 'happiness' isn't a right
per se; one has only a 'right to pursue' it.

I'd just quote the dictionary definition of "Liberty", probably
something like freedom, self-determination; "permission", if you
will, to operate your own life in the manner you see fit. That sort
of thing.

About happiness, when they wrote that "pursuit" clause, it'd have been
the height of folly to try to invoke a "right to happiness", because
nobody can guarantee the results of your pursuit of it. You're allowed
to pursue it, but if you fail at achieving it, well, you're free to
pursue it some more.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

 

[John Woodgate]

The right to pursue happiness allows one to undertake those actions
which lead to the state of happiness.

Like eliminating the opposition in a drive-by? OK, it's extreme, but
isn't that part of the problem with such sweeping statements; there is a
lot of qualifying sub-text.

 

[John Woodgate]

I'd just quote the dictionary definition

I don't trust dictionaries in debate; the definitions weren't written in
the present context.

of "Liberty", probably something like freedom, self-determination;
"permission", if you will, to operate your own life in the manner you
see fit. That sort of thing.

Including making money by selling drugs to kids?

 

[Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie]

I don't trust dictionaries in debate; the definitions weren't written in
the present context.


Including making money by selling drugs to kids?

That depends - why are the kids looking for drugs in the first place?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[krw]

Yes. Takes a real man to wear those shorts.

Real men dress in girls undies? Comming from a Cannuckistani, I
guess that sort of attitude is to be expected.

And after the Janet Boob affair
I doubt your players will be getting their dicks out on TV real soon.

I should hope not! That was a more powerful dick-shriveler than
32F (that's 0C for you Cnnuckistanis) water. I just about lost my
Superbowl party on the spot!

And if you've never been in a scrum or a ruck you don't know the meaning of pain.

In your case, I think you mean "scum". I can only imagine how
painful it was, Homie. BTW, pain <> sport.

 

[krw]

French, you know.

Ah, yes. Their heads are up there.

 

[krw]

If Mexico takes all of the Republicans. After all, they keep trying to
Mexicanize the USA.

Yes, the Mexicans are, but I see no reason to move to that hell-
hole. Just shoot 'em as they come across, like any other invader.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Yes, the Mexicans are, but I see no reason to move to that hell-
hole. Just shoot 'em as they come across, like any other invader.

The only good Republican is a dead Republican?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

In your case, I think you mean "scum". I can only imagine how
painful it was, Homie. BTW, pain <> sport.

Do some research. Scrum it is. I leave all knowledge of scum to you.