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Jim Thompson · Jul 22, 2009

Just wait until you have as many fast food restaurants as we do?

Thanks for your input, Martin.

---Joel

Joerg · Jul 22, 2009

krw said:
[...]

I don't have a NewYak or Vemont, eh, accent. It's still pretty
Midwestern.

My accent is a mixture of half a dozen ones. Sometimes people can't make
out where I am from.

Click to expand...

I'll let that one slide... ;-)

It hit me after hitting "send"

Word? What junk! Its paragraph management is the pits. Controlling
lists is impossible. Excel is the only M$ software I can even stomach
(it's even "good"). I'll get into Access when I get some time. We'll
see.

I've never had it hick up on me, at least not much. This included some
really fat module specs with nested TOC, almost like books.

Access is pretty cool, used it in companies, but too large for a small
biz like mine. All my book-keeping is done with Works.

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian · Jul 22, 2009

Why are you so happy to be totally ripped off by *private* insurers when
you could have an altogether better public national health service for
everyone by paying about half that amount in taxes?

So, you're another of those who insists that we learn the hard way?

Just watch - you'll be paying more like 10X the amount, rather than half,
and you won't have any say in the matter.

Good Luck!
Rich

Martin Brown · Jul 22, 2009

Richard said:
So, you're another of those who insists that we learn the hard way?

Just watch - you'll be paying more like 10X the amount, rather than half,
and you won't have any say in the matter.

Fool. I live in the UK. I pay a fraction of what you do in the US even
for private health insurance. I have never had to use it.

The arguments being used now in America are the same ones used in the UK
during the formation of the the UK's NHS.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian · Jul 22, 2009

Fool. I live in the UK. I pay a fraction of what you do in the US even
for private health insurance. I have never had to use it.

Color yourself lucky. How long is the waiting list for, say, an MRI or
a kidney/liver/heart transplant?

For that matter, how long is the waiting list for an ordinary coronary
bypass?

Thanks,
Rich

krw · Jul 23, 2009

Hi Keith,

Initially, it certainly won't be.

It *never* will be, unless it's rationed to the bone. Even the third
that is nationalized can't pay its bills now.

Long-term I believe the idea is something like the Wal*Mart effect: The
government will be such a huge customer of drug companies, hospitals, etc.
that they'll be able to start negotiating serious reductions in cost. Add in
some tort reform such that doctors' malpractice insurance drops substantially,
and maybe we'll get there.

Why don't we do that now?

But that is speculation on my part; I don't think anybody really knows for
certain.

But you want to jump in with both feet not knowing what's under the
surface?

Feel free to buy supplemental insurance?

Nope. Illegal.

Are all of the senior citizens presently receiving medicare commies? In a
group of 100 seniors, I bet you could count on one hand how many voluntarily
decline medicare coverage due to a conviction that it's a form of socialism or
communism. And all they "did" to earn the right to medicare was to get old!
At least those guys at the VA hospitals were generally willing to risk their
lives for our country in order to *earn* their health care...

They have no choice. Ask the same people 50 years before, whether
they'd rather pay the Medicare tax or not.

I think it already is largely that way -- while not absolutely identical,
bridges and roads are built to largely the same standards nationwide, HUD
housing is subsidized at roughly the same rate (considering local market
conditons), food assistance programs are largely standardized across the
nation, etc.

We're not talking about health care for the indigent, here. We're
talking about *NATIONALIZING* the entire industry.

If you're asking the government for a handout, while they may occasionally be
extenuating circumstances, in general everyone should be getting the same
thing.

But that is *NOT* what we're talking about.

This does gets complicated in that very few programs are entirely federally
funded (e.g., road construction, schools, etc. all are partially locally
funded).
Mostly.

Sure, but his better-than-bog-standard-government is a "perk" of his job (as
is congress's). Private companies can and should continue to offer
supplemental insurance coverage to recruit and maintain their employees, when
financial viable.

You really are clueless. That is *NOT* what is going on.

BTW, also note that illegals will be allowed free health care, too.
That's certainly going to reduce costs.

krw · Jul 23, 2009

krw said:
krw said:

[...]

I don't have a NewYak or Vemont, eh, accent. It's still pretty
Midwestern.

My accent is a mixture of half a dozen ones. Sometimes people can't make
out where I am from.

Click to expand...

I'll let that one slide... ;-)

Click to expand...

It hit me after hitting "send"

Word? What junk! Its paragraph management is the pits. Controlling
lists is impossible. Excel is the only M$ software I can even stomach
(it's even "good"). I'll get into Access when I get some time. We'll
see.

Click to expand...

I've never had it hick up on me, at least not much. This included some
really fat module specs with nested TOC, almost like books.

Just managing simple bulleted lists is horrid. Paragraph style
management is impossible. I used to be able to write documents in
Frame and export them to Word. M$ broke that a long time ago. Word
makes me want to scream.

Access is pretty cool, used it in companies, but too large for a small
biz like mine. All my book-keeping is done with Works.

I just found it on my computer at work so bought a book. I figured it
would be useful for managing BOMs.

Jim Thompson · Jul 23, 2009

Hi Keith,

In some proposed legislation, apparently so -- and that's wrong. I can't
imagine such provisions will pass, though, even with the current democratic
majority. We don't live in a country radical enough that overnight private
health insurance will be outlawed; it just isn't going to happen.

Yeah, but you seem to be convinced that Obama really is after 100% identical
health care for all -- no additional insurance/self-funded procedures allowed.
As liberal as he is, I just don't think that's really what he's after. If it
is, and if he gets it, he'll be committing political suicide.

Check out this article:
http://www.factcheck.org/politics/more_health_care_scare.html

The "page 16" snippet (that Obama claims he's unfamiliar with) *might* have
been someone's attempt to kill off private insurance, but the "it's just
poorly written" explanation seems far more likely. Never attribute to malice
what can be explained by incompetence and all...

Joerg · Jul 23, 2009

krw said:
krw said:

[...]

I don't have a NewYak or Vemont, eh, accent. It's still pretty
Midwestern.

My accent is a mixture of half a dozen ones. Sometimes people can't make
out where I am from.
I'll let that one slide... ;-)

Click to expand...

It hit me after hitting "send"

M$, not so much. They require a credit card just to talk to someone
who knows nothing but what's on the script.
Personally, I wouldn't buy anything from MS that needs support. Only the
mundane stuff.
The problem with M$ crap is that it always needs support, but support
is beyond possibility.
The simple stuff doesn't and that is the only SW I use from up there.
XP, Word, MS-Works, that's pretty much it.
Word? What junk! Its paragraph management is the pits. Controlling
lists is impossible. Excel is the only M$ software I can even stomach
(it's even "good"). I'll get into Access when I get some time. We'll
see.

Click to expand...

I've never had it hick up on me, at least not much. This included some
really fat module specs with nested TOC, almost like books.

Click to expand...

Just managing simple bulleted lists is horrid. Paragraph style
management is impossible. ...

I never had too many problems with that. The occasional crash, yes.

... I used to be able to write documents in
Frame and export them to Word. M$ broke that a long time ago. Word
makes me want to scream.

They also broke the compatibility with DOS-Word. That was quite stupid
of them.

I just found it on my computer at work so bought a book. I figured it
would be useful for managing BOMs.

Better tie that job into the company's MRP system. If done right
engineers will quickly know what their new design costs and also try to
use parts that are already released and/or preferred where possible.
Spitting out and formatting the BOM as desired should be done by the
CAD, so that it can be piped into the company's computer and the
purchasers can get on the horn.

krw · Jul 23, 2009

krw said:
krw said:

krw wrote:
[...]

I don't have a NewYak or Vemont, eh, accent. It's still pretty
Midwestern.

My accent is a mixture of half a dozen ones. Sometimes people can't make
out where I am from.
I'll let that one slide... ;-)

It hit me after hitting "send"

M$, not so much. They require a credit card just to talk to someone
who knows nothing but what's on the script.
Personally, I wouldn't buy anything from MS that needs support. Only the
mundane stuff.
The problem with M$ crap is that it always needs support, but support
is beyond possibility.
The simple stuff doesn't and that is the only SW I use from up there.
XP, Word, MS-Works, that's pretty much it.
Word? What junk! Its paragraph management is the pits. Controlling
lists is impossible. Excel is the only M$ software I can even stomach
(it's even "good"). I'll get into Access when I get some time. We'll
see.

I've never had it hick up on me, at least not much. This included some
really fat module specs with nested TOC, almost like books.

Click to expand...

Just managing simple bulleted lists is horrid. Paragraph style
management is impossible. ...

Click to expand...

I never had too many problems with that. The occasional crash, yes.

It's not that it hangs. It simply doesn't work.

They also broke the compatibility with DOS-Word. That was quite stupid
of them.

Why? They own it all.

Better tie that job into the company's MRP system. If done right
engineers will quickly know what their new design costs and also try to
use parts that are already released and/or preferred where possible.
Spitting out and formatting the BOM as desired should be done by the
CAD, so that it can be piped into the company's computer and the
purchasers can get on the horn.

Not all information is on the schematic and there are several versions
of the product built off the same schematics. We also need
information stripped for thru-hole/SMT, hardware,... The BOM spit
out by OrCad (not my choice) is incomplete and has to be massaged to
build the final BOM. The BOM I built this week had about a third of
the parts NoPop'd. The rules for all of this are fairly simple but
it's easy to make a mistake. Access would make this process
automatic.

There is no chance of tying what we do into purchasing's system. I
can't even get an ID on the system, though our admin has one.

Martin Brown · Jul 23, 2009

Richard said:
Color yourself lucky. How long is the waiting list for, say, an MRI or

5 months or so for a routine scheduled test. About 48 hours maybe less
if there is urgent medical need to aid diagnosis.

a kidney/liver/heart transplant?

Rate limited by availability of suitable donor organs with a tissue
match. Not enough people carry donor cards.

For that matter, how long is the waiting list for an ordinary coronary
bypass?

Average around 3 weeks since about 2003 (it was once 10x longer).
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/dec/21/NHS.medicineandhealth
Some places are worse than average.

Notably in Scotland where deep fried Mars bar is popular.

Regards,
Martin Brown

PeterD · Jul 23, 2009

Notably in Scotland where deep fried Mars bar is popular.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Dear dog, that makes me want to go to Scotland!

Mark Robinson · Jul 23, 2009

Martin said:
5 months or so for a routine scheduled test.

Seriously out of date information. A series of waiting list reduction
schemes, including the massive Fast Track program
( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3610753.stm )
have reduced waiting lists to 2-4 weeks in the main, even for non-
urgent cases.

The Fast Track program is coming to an end, but the resources are being
deployed elsewhere; for example some of the mobile MRI scanners are
being used for CATS ( http://www.careuk.com/content/about_cats ).

Cheers

mark-r

Joerg · Jul 23, 2009

krw said:
[...]

I never had too many problems with that. The occasional crash, yes.

Click to expand...

It's not that it hangs. It simply doesn't work.

Strange, it does work for me. However, I have never accepted versions
any younger than 2003 and probably will not for a while. Just as I do
not run Vista and never will, in this office. MS-Office 2007 was IMHO
not very good.

Why? They own it all.

It was stupid because it has caused lots of folks and businesses
(meaning Dollars) to defect to Sun and other vendors. Or in western
speak, they shot themselves in the foot.

Not all information is on the schematic and there are several versions
of the product built off the same schematics. We also need
information stripped for thru-hole/SMT, hardware,... The BOM spit
out by OrCad (not my choice) is incomplete and has to be massaged to
build the final BOM. The BOM I built this week had about a third of
the parts NoPop'd. The rules for all of this are fairly simple but
it's easy to make a mistake. Access would make this process
automatic.

That is where Cadsoft Eagle really excels. You can script and program
BOMs to the hilt. Even if all non-insert parts would have to be listed
in Swahili that would be no problem. If only they hadn't screwed up the
hierarchy. There is none :-(

There is no chance of tying what we do into purchasing's system. I
can't even get an ID on the system, though our admin has one.

That "no chance" changed dramatically in one company where this was also
perceived as "impossible". All it requires is the right guys in
management positions ;-)

krw · Jul 24, 2009

Hi Keith,

Good question. Clearly there are many powerful interests who aren't
interested in seeing their margins shrink or their jobs removed; few people
are willing to put the country's interests ahead of there own,
unfortunately -- particularly when they know they're just one tiny drop in an
ocean of bureaucracy and inefficiency. The infrastructure we have today is so
entrenched that it will take massive policy changes to significantly change
it.

What makes you think it will change under ObinableCare?

As I say, the current system is massive -- overnight it's not going to
crumble. Absolute worst case, Obama has 3-1/2 more years to do damage... and
plenty of representatives and congressmen have far less than that. I'm
willing to see what happens -- plus the absolute worst case is far worse than
the "expected" case.

You don't understand. There is *NO* going back. We've seen that with
Social Security and Medicare.

In some proposed legislation, apparently so -- and that's wrong. I can't
imagine such provisions will pass, though, even with the current democratic
majority. We don't live in a country radical enough that overnight private
health insurance will be outlawed; it just isn't going to happen.

That's the deal. We're not talking about pie in the sky here. We're
talking about the deal that is on the table.

Yeah, but you seem to be convinced that Obama really is after 100% identical
health care for all -- no additional insurance/self-funded procedures allowed.
As liberal as he is, I just don't think that's really what he's after. If it
is, and if he gets it, he'll be committing political suicide.

Read the bill.

Check out this article:
http://www.factcheck.org/politics/more_health_care_scare.html

The "page 16" snippet (that Obama claims he's unfamiliar with) *might* have
been someone's attempt to kill off private insurance, but the "it's just
poorly written" explanation seems far more likely. Never attribute to malice
what can be explained by incompetence and all...

He's a liar.

I'm OK with patching them up enough that they don't die on their free trip
back to Mexico.

Again, that is *NOT* the plan. Wake up!

krw · Jul 24, 2009

Hi Keith,

Since it sounds like you're using ORCAD... do you have the CIS option?

No. We use a property field to mark optional components and the
prefix string "NP_" in the "P/N" and "value" properties to mark
unpopulated components.

If so,
then ORCAD purportedly supports "variants" whereby it'll kick out different
BOMs depending on which configuration of the product you've selected.

Not an option, right now. Not having it does make documentation for
debug a bit more of a problem.

It's not clear to me that you'd necessary need Access for this, but I
definitely think it'd be worth your (well, your company's) time to automate
the BOM massaging.

Access is on my PC at work. Don't know why, but it is. I've been
doing the work with Excel, so far. It works, but there are silly
things like collating sequences and BOM formats that are a PITA.

krw · Jul 24, 2009

krw said:
krw said:

krw wrote:
krw wrote:

Click to expand...

[...]

Word? What junk! Its paragraph management is the pits. Controlling
lists is impossible. Excel is the only M$ software I can even stomach
(it's even "good"). I'll get into Access when I get some time. We'll
see.

I've never had it hick up on me, at least not much. This included some
really fat module specs with nested TOC, almost like books.
Just managing simple bulleted lists is horrid. Paragraph style
management is impossible. ...

I never had too many problems with that. The occasional crash, yes.

Click to expand...

It's not that it hangs. It simply doesn't work.

Click to expand...

Strange, it does work for me. However, I have never accepted versions
any younger than 2003 and probably will not for a while. Just as I do
not run Vista and never will, in this office. MS-Office 2007 was IMHO
not very good.

XP and 2003.

It was stupid because it has caused lots of folks and businesses
(meaning Dollars) to defect to Sun and other vendors. Or in western
speak, they shot themselves in the foot.

A small number. Far more are locked in.

That is where Cadsoft Eagle really excels. You can script and program
BOMs to the hilt. Even if all non-insert parts would have to be listed
in Swahili that would be no problem. If only they hadn't screwed up the
hierarchy. There is none :-(

No schematic hierarchy? I'm just starting to use hierarchical design
on a test fixture I'm designing. I should have done it on the last
redesign of the main board but I was afraid to change anything I
didn't have to.

That "no chance" changed dramatically in one company where this was also
perceived as "impossible". All it requires is the right guys in
management positions ;-)

I am certainly not going to become the IT guy (I have far more fun
things to do). The only "management" that counts is the owner. ;-)
He isn't about to spend more money on Southware seats right now.

Jim Thompson · Jul 24, 2009

Hi Keith,

Again, that is *NOT* the plan. Wake up!

Click to expand...

Amusing news snippet today: In Massachusetts, if Mexicans become
"legal", they're NO LONGER ELIGIBLE for the FAILING Massachusetts
health plan ;-)

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Jim Thompson · Jul 24, 2009

Hi Keith,

OK, but for all the problems that social security and medicare have, surely a
solid majority of people in this country would rather keep *them* rather than
dismantle them, yes? As such, if Obamacare is the same way, and a solid
majority of people support it... well, that's just how things are *supposed*
to work in a democracy, even if it is a bit dumb.

Even if Jim's properly right-thinking great-granddaughter becomes president, I
bet she'll keep SS and medicare around.

I guarantee you that the current deal, as-written and free-standing, will not
pass.

Maybe, but I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt; I did the same for Bush
as well. (Bush is actually kinda intriguing... I think that history might
show he wasn't nearly as bad as many people want to make him out to have
been.)

---Joel

Jim Thompson · Jul 24, 2009

I try to be... I actually used to be more conservative, but then I married a
democrat.

What does bother me is that the country is so polarized these days; the
ability for people to respectfully disagree seems to be waning. I think it's
related to a dwindling sense of "community" people seem to have -- Jon & Joerg
had a good thread on that topic.

As much as you like to insult liberals, I've generally read a bit of
good-natured fun into it as well -- the fact that you and Win can sit down and
have a beer together suggests to me that you're still one of the "good guys."

---Joel

That was before Win got on his "Bush is a moron" kick.

Though I note, as of late, his posts totally avoid politics...
probably because he realizes now that his "boy" is a dud who will
destroy America as we know it, barring some catastrophe (natural or
otherwise) to force a change of direction ;-)

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