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nospam
- Jan 1, 1970
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AwlSome Auger said:
Why did OS/2 need a Win32 API? Because it had already lost the war and was
already dead.
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Why did OS/2 need a Win32 API? Because it had already lost the war and was
already dead.
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AwlSome Auger
- Jan 1, 1970
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No. Because it entered the market as a DOS compatible, and Windows
compatible OS, dipshit. And because if it had not had agreements with MS
to get that compatibility, it would never have done the OS development to
begin with. So MS was culpable for their downfall.
They were not "already dead" had MS kept up their agreement.
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krw
- Jan 1, 1970
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Best you can do is repeat others comments, DimBulb? You are as lame
as they come.
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Joerg
- Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
Why was that so dramatic? IBM has emphasized the service part of its
operation since at least the 60's, and was always good at that (they
made stuff work).
That is a very sad state of affairs if a (back then) little outfit in
the boonies was able to out-marketeer big blue. Somehow doesn't exude
competence in their marketing department, maybe there should have been
some higher level personnel changes.
Certainly not in the business world. I and other entrepreneurs and
engineers back then didn't give a hoot where stuff was coming from. We
never listened to sentiments and such but bought what works. After
looking at the prices my order went with Tandon.
I lived in Europe and it sure looked like IBM was advertizing their PCs
and software just like everyone else did. Except that their pricing was
mostly sky high. So ...
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Richard Cranium
- Jan 1, 1970
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Nope - it's you Archie. YOU are the fucking moron here - even if you
are celibate. Go ahead - take a vote if you don't believe me.
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nospam
- Jan 1, 1970
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AwlSome Auger said:
OS/2 entered the market in 1987. The Win32 API didn't exist (never mind
become popular) till Windows NT was released 6 years later.
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Joerg
- Jan 1, 1970
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nospam said:
.... and by that time it was essentially over already. OS/2 was
expensive, usually didn't come pre-installed like Windows 3 did and it
had compatibility (drivers and such) issues with some non-IBM hardware.
IMHO serious marketing blunders. I expect well compensated marketeers to
see such things in advance.
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krw
- Jan 1, 1970
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Service of its products, yes. Not complete turn-key applications,
though. They never *ran* customer's installations or out-sourced the
work. It *is* a dramatic change to completely rework a company the
size and scope of IBM.
By the early '90s M$ wasn't a little company.
The "business world" isn't where IBM lost OS/2. M$ won from the
bottom up, not top down.
THere were *many* things IBM couldn't do. The rules on product
announcements, being one. Cost structures being another. Gifting to
educational institutions another. There were *thousands* of
restrictions.
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AwlSome Auger
- Jan 1, 1970
- 0
What little you know about OS/2 would fit onto the tip of a molecular
probe. Take a vote if you don't believe me.
Does your new troll software come complete with a stalking search
feature? A forensic investigation of your machine would reveal that you
are stalking, Cranium.
Did my exposure of your mother's true criminality piss you off, you
piece of shit? GOOD!
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AwlSome Auger
- Jan 1, 1970
- 0
And at that time it had DOS compatibility, and the first windows API
hooks were in there as well. IBM had agreements with MS to get full
Win32 API compatibility. So did quarterdeck, and MS reneged on them as
well, and that is why DesqViewX died early on as well.
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AwlSome Auger
- Jan 1, 1970
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It was not made available to IBM at the time it became a reality. The
fact that it was held out killed it, regardless of whether they ended up
getting it.
Got SATA drivers? PCI? AGP? PCI-X? USB? OpenGL? SDL?
Not likely. You still use it on a what? A P2? Oh, I'll bet that runs
a modern win32 app *real* good.
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AwlSome Auger
- Jan 1, 1970
- 0
Nice zero information response.
Just like BeOs, it is pretty much dead.
So what are you running it on, and which of the above services do you
have at your disposal?
Pretty much that simple.
So show us how fat 'what lot you know' is, instead of this petty mumble
mumble crap.
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krw
- Jan 1, 1970
- 0
He's known as AlwaysWrong for good reason.
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Jim Thompson
- Jan 1, 1970
- 0
To get a full view of how _totally_ignorant_ "AwlSome Auger" (another
NymNoNuts costume) is, just study his posts for awhile ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
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Joerg
- Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
A lot of what I saw was turn-key. IBM installed the whole chebang, from
the cooling air ducts all the way to the application SW. Including the
CAD stations or MIPS burners as IBMers used to call them. IBM had a
reputation of being a great integrator. "If you really need this to work
cough up the money and have IBM do it". When my production folks told me
that the die bonder would be done in cooperation with IBM my confidence
level in the project went to 110%.
But still not much compared to IBM.
The only way to win bottom up is pre-loaded PCs and IBM Marketing should
have known that. Otherwise you can only come in from the top and even
there OS/2 didn't score. Too expensive, plus too many compatibility
issues just like with Apple or Linux.
Ok, those are serious road blocks. But I am sure they didn't tell them
"You must make OS/2 non-competitive with high prices and you must make
sure not all peripherals are supported". They could have won me over,
and loads of other business people.
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AwlSome Auger
- Jan 1, 1970
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I know more about OS/2 than you ever did or ever will as well,
jack-off.
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krw
- Jan 1, 1970
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Obviously not. He knows that you're always wrong, AlwaysWrong. That's
more than you know about anything.
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krw
- Jan 1, 1970
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They didn't supply the people and they *DIDN'T* do outsourcing, as
they have been doing since Gerstner.
But big compared to IBM's share of the PC business. GM was big too.
But that is precisely where IBM was enjoined from doing business the
way M$, and even Apple did.
In fact they did. The accounting rules made OS/2 pay its own way.
Once M$ got away with the "pay per manufactured box" licensing, OS/2
was all done. "Not all peripherals supported" was mostly an issue of
companies not wanting to support OS/2. In many cases they took the
money to make it happen and then supplied junk, or nothing.
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Jim Thompson
- Jan 1, 1970
- 0
AND the secret sauce for filtering out EVERY nym, with a trivially
simple filter ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice
480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat || E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
Liberals are so cute. Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.
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Richard Cranium
- Jan 1, 1970
- 0
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:11:05 -0700, AwlSome Auger
<<<<<Snip>>>>>
Aw, Archie is angry again. Poor fat slob, living all alone; just
Archie and his right hand. Tell us about your celibacy, chum. Tell
us why you elected to restrain your manhood. C'mon you sissy
piss-nozzle, tell us about your lonely life.
<<<<<Snip>>>>>
Aw, Archie is angry again. Poor fat slob, living all alone; just
Archie and his right hand. Tell us about your celibacy, chum. Tell
us why you elected to restrain your manhood. C'mon you sissy
piss-nozzle, tell us about your lonely life.
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