Sizing the common mode choke for output of a PWM inverter

I'm working on a DC-AC inverter ckt using bipolar switching at
switching frequency 39kHz. Could anyone kindly give me any advices on
how the value of common mode choke is chosen? And also, what kind of
magnetic material should be used for the core?

Thanks for any replies.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm working on a DC-AC inverter ckt using bipolar switching at
switching frequency 39kHz. Could anyone kindly give me any advices on
how the value of common mode choke is chosen? And also, what kind of
magnetic material should be used for the core?

Suck and see is the usual method. This kind of circuit behaviour is not readily
modellable.

Graham
 
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MooseFET

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm working on a DC-AC inverter ckt using bipolar switching at
switching frequency 39kHz. Could anyone kindly give me any advices on
how the value of common mode choke is chosen? And also, what kind of
magnetic material should be used for the core?

Thanks for any replies.


You need to know what you are trying to block with the choke. The
ideal common mode choke has a very high and resistive impedance at the
troublesome frequencies.

In general, you want the highest mu you can find. Saturation should
not be an issue because the currents should match.

If you can afford to do so, you may want to put a common mode choke on
both the input and the output. The ground of the converter section
should have only one route by which its clatter can get to ground.
That route should be very low impedance.

The common mode choke is creating a high impedance in one route.
Unless there is a lower impedance route, the common mode choke is less
effective.
 
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Paul Mathews

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm working on a DC-AC inverter ckt using bipolar switching at
switching frequency 39kHz. Could anyone kindly give me any advices on
how the value of common mode choke is chosen? And also, what kind of
magnetic material should be used for the core?

Thanks for any replies.
Simple answer: One approach to this problem is to design your circuit
so that your CM filter requirements are minimal, then choose CM filter
components that aren't so big that their parasitics end up ruining
their filter performance.

Details:
1) First, do everything you can do to minimize capacitance from high
dv/dt nodes to anything relating to input or output wires, components,
connectors.
2) Provide designed minimum loop area paths for any remaining
parasitic currents, e.g., snubbers and shunt capacitors. For example,
for parasitic currents flowing through primary to secondary
capacitances, electrostatically shield pri to sec and/or add shunt
capacitance such that the inevitable return current associated with
the parasitic current can flow in a capacitor placed very near to the
transformer. In order to design these paths, you'll need to locate all
high dv/dt elements and at least imagine where their parasitic
currents will flow in complete circuit, returning to the source. I = C
dv/dt, so you cannot 'block' the current, only reduce it by reducing C
or dv/dt, or manage it by shunting it properly. Quite often, large
currents flow to heatsinks of switching transistors and rectifiers,
and the return paths for these currents should be considered and
controlled. Designers sometimes use heatsink spacers to reduce
parasitic C or even an intervening shield between the semiconductor
and the heatsink.
3) Bring differential EMI to acceptable levels using shunt capacitors
and series inductance (if necessary). Some series L may be available
from the leakage inductance of your CM filter (see below).
4) All of the above measures will also reduce CM EMI. So, after the
above steps, evaluate the need for CM filtering. Important
considerations usually include cost, size, and weight. A common
mistake is to choose the largest possible components, thinking that
they will provide the best filtering. However, the parasitic
capacitance of the CM filter components to other circuit components is
often the determining factor in filter performance. Stray magnetic
coupling is also sometimes a factor. In other words, your nice big CM
transformer (aka CM choke) can have a lot of parasitic capacitance to
that MOSFET on heatsink that might be just a few cm away, and you
suddenly have 100s of microamps of parasitic current flowing directly
into (one side of) your CM choke. For the same reason, the placement
and orientation of the filter components are critical. Complete CM
filters in metal enclosures or inside your own shielding components
will generally have superior performance to collections of filter
components unshielded from the switching elements.
5) Quite small CM chokes an be very effective, particularly in
combination with shunt capacitors. The main limitation tends to be
wire size: you need to use a wire size large enough so that heat is
not a problem. Obviously, a larger core makes it possible to achieve
more inductance for a larger wire size, but beware the parasitic C.
The CM choke will also have its own parasitic capacitance from turn to
turn, which provides a shunt path for EMI. You also need to insure
that any differential currents flowing in the choke are quite small,
since saturation is otherwise a possibility.
6) Many CM chokes are deliberately wound so that they develop a small
amount of leakage inductance that can help with DM EMI filtering. This
is done by putting the windings on opposite sides of a toroid or legs
of an E-core.

Paul Mathews
 
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Harry Dellamano

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul Mathews said:
Simple answer: One approach to this problem is to design your circuit
so that your CM filter requirements are minimal, then choose CM filter
components that aren't so big that their parasitics end up ruining
their filter performance.

Details:
1) First, do everything you can do to minimize capacitance from high
dv/dt nodes to anything relating to input or output wires, components,
connectors.
2) Provide designed minimum loop area paths for any remaining
parasitic currents, e.g., snubbers and shunt capacitors. For example,
for parasitic currents flowing through primary to secondary
capacitances, electrostatically shield pri to sec and/or add shunt
capacitance such that the inevitable return current associated with
the parasitic current can flow in a capacitor placed very near to the
transformer. In order to design these paths, you'll need to locate all
high dv/dt elements and at least imagine where their parasitic
currents will flow in complete circuit, returning to the source. I = C
dv/dt, so you cannot 'block' the current, only reduce it by reducing C
or dv/dt, or manage it by shunting it properly. Quite often, large
currents flow to heatsinks of switching transistors and rectifiers,
and the return paths for these currents should be considered and
controlled. Designers sometimes use heatsink spacers to reduce
parasitic C or even an intervening shield between the semiconductor
and the heatsink.
3) Bring differential EMI to acceptable levels using shunt capacitors
and series inductance (if necessary). Some series L may be available
from the leakage inductance of your CM filter (see below).
4) All of the above measures will also reduce CM EMI. So, after the
above steps, evaluate the need for CM filtering. Important
considerations usually include cost, size, and weight. A common
mistake is to choose the largest possible components, thinking that
they will provide the best filtering. However, the parasitic
capacitance of the CM filter components to other circuit components is
often the determining factor in filter performance. Stray magnetic
coupling is also sometimes a factor. In other words, your nice big CM
transformer (aka CM choke) can have a lot of parasitic capacitance to
that MOSFET on heatsink that might be just a few cm away, and you
suddenly have 100s of microamps of parasitic current flowing directly
into (one side of) your CM choke. For the same reason, the placement
and orientation of the filter components are critical. Complete CM
filters in metal enclosures or inside your own shielding components
will generally have superior performance to collections of filter
components unshielded from the switching elements.
5) Quite small CM chokes an be very effective, particularly in
combination with shunt capacitors. The main limitation tends to be
wire size: you need to use a wire size large enough so that heat is
not a problem. Obviously, a larger core makes it possible to achieve
more inductance for a larger wire size, but beware the parasitic C.
The CM choke will also have its own parasitic capacitance from turn to
turn, which provides a shunt path for EMI. You also need to insure
that any differential currents flowing in the choke are quite small,
since saturation is otherwise a possibility.
6) Many CM chokes are deliberately wound so that they develop a small
amount of leakage inductance that can help with DM EMI filtering. This
is done by putting the windings on opposite sides of a toroid or legs
of an E-core.

Paul Mathews
Paul, all great stuff. The OP said DC/AC converter so the input DC return
may possibly be tied to the chassis then a input CM choke is not needed.
WSU?
Harry
 
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Paul Mathews

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul, all great stuff. The OP said DC/AC converter so the input DC return
may possibly be tied to the chassis then a input CM choke is not needed.
WSU?
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Depends greatly on how the power is brought into the enclosure and how
the power connections connect to the outside world. If any appreciable
amount of unshielded input power conductor is exposed to dv/dt, the
resulting parasitic currents/voltages can exit the enclosure and
radiate from cabling. However, low voltage switching, if that's what
the OP is doing, does have the advantage of smaller dv in the first
place.
Paul Mathews
 
Depends greatly on how the power is brought into the enclosure and how
the power connections connect to the outside world. If any appreciable
amount of unshielded input power conductor is exposed to dv/dt, the
resulting parasitic currents/voltages can exit the enclosure and
radiate from cabling. However, low voltage switching, if that's what
the OP is doing, does have the advantage of smaller dv in the first
place.
Paul Mathews

Thanks Paul. The reason why I'm asking this question is because I saw
there is a CM choke used at the output stage of a 230VAC 300W inverter
I bought. In the spirit of "reverse engineering" I thought I should
steal the same idea and follow the same in my circuit design, although
I haven't yet figured out clearly the cause and principal of common
mode current ( I've read a bit and that it's somehow due to
transformer leakage capacitance and the cap between heatsink and
something ).

My design follows the common architecture of most 12VDC-230VAC
inverter: DC-DC (full bridge converter) then DC-AC (PIC driving H-
bridge using IRF840). I've already made both parts of circuit working
on breadboard (although haven't really loaded it yet since the
breadboard can't handle any huge current on low voltage side) and is
now entering the stage of PCB design. But before the circuit is
finalized I wish to add the extra bit the CM choke in order to make my
thesis supervisor happier. If the choice of inductance value happens
to be a matter of trial and error as what Eeyore said, what
conservative value would you guys suggest me to use, so that I can
order from supplier straight away and start with the layout design?

THX
 
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Paul Mathews

Jan 1, 1970
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Or.......In other words, how much the impedance CM choke appearing to
switching frequency (39kHz) should I design

It depends on the nature of the hash on the output, some of which is
invariably CM (for reasons described earlier, i.e., parasitics). For a
DCDC converter, there is often energy in the 10s to 100s of MHz that
results from rectifier turn-off transients. It's usually best to snub
the rectifiers for this, which takes care of both CM and DM. However,
any remaining CM requires a relatively small inductance due the high
frequency. Obviously, the SRF of the inductor must be quite high, so
single layer windings are the rule. For DCAC, there are no secondary
rectifiers, and the transients on the secondary are a combination of
primary-side transients seen through the turns-ratio of the
transformer and transients arising from parasitic coupling from the
primary side. Begin by minimizing all sources. Then, common mode
couple a wide BW oscilloscope or spectrum analyzer to the output and
see what's left. (One way to do this is to pass all output conductors
through a wideband current probe.) If you don't have any means of
probing to see what's there, guess that output CM EMI will have same
spectrum as primary DM switching transients, which you should be able
to observe. Suppose that this means you're trying to filter a broad
spectrum around 10 MHz. You're going to want a few Kohms of impedance
in CM, so 50 uH or so will get you there. Find a ferrite toroid that
fits your housing and budget and see if a single-layer widely-spaced
double winding of adequately sized wire will provide that much
inductance. If not, go for a larger core.
Paul Mathews
 
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