[RichD]

But 'we' will ignore human nature and real world economies.......
One's ideals have nothing to do with our current paradigm....

A story:
Some years ago, I'm entering a Safeway, a
pretty girl accosts me, she wants a signature
on a petition to nuke the baby seals or
something. I retort: "We have enough taxes
and feelgood ecoprograms, I'l pass."

She answers: "It won't require new taxes, it
willl be funded by bonds."

Yes folks, a breakthrough in political economy...
gubmit programs can be paid for with bonds,
NO TAXES NEEDED.

She was sweet and earnest and dim, a
concerned citizen.. and a voter. Scary, huh?

 

[MooseFET]

Blah blah blah blah blah. Another stupid American

Do your schools teach intentional stupidity ?

Out of logical arguments I see. Oh well.

 

[MooseFET]

FWIW, I have seens both pnuematics and hyraulics on the same systems
before.
Pnuematics used for quick low power actuating (guiding product); the
plumbing and controls are a bit simpler, hydraulics for the bull work;
orbit motors and a hydraulic lift.

It is a question of storing energy that was at issue not of taking it
from place to place. In a car the tranfer of power is well handled by
the mechanical transmission.

For energy storage in a hydraulic system, hydro-pneumatic accumulators
are the most commonly used accumulators. The energy is stored by
compressing the gas in the accumulator. This is the path the US EPA
took on this:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/technology/420f04019.pdf

 

[MooseFET]

[....]

That would also be a hard environment for a non-special purpose
electric car. The very low speeds and a lot of starting on upgrades
etc would make for a low range in an electric. Since your trip is to
work and back, you can't be going far so an electric car would work
for you.

We have a friend with a new Toyota hybrid, and she gets about the same
mileage that I do. Hauling all those batteries up and down the hills
isn't efficient.

The energy per pound issue with the batteries is a major drawback in
SF. On flat roads, the hybrid would perhaps do better than the
rabbit. The rabbit does have very good fuel economy numbers IIRC.

The cable cars are great fun, but they're slow and not very reliable.
I think the entire system is run by a single 500 HP electric motor.

The reliablity issue has a lot to do with the age of the system and
the money allocated to maintaining it.

Some of Muni is great. It moves about 700K people per day, about equal
to the population. Most downtown workers, including over half of my
employees, take Muni to work. The best part is the underground Metro
lines, the electric busses, and the F line, the antique streetcars on
Market Street and the Embarcadero. The worst part is the diesel busses
that pollute and congest.

Some years back it was calculated that SamTrans raun at such a high
cost that it would be cheaper to buy everyone who used it a car and
pay for the gas.

Busses are a dumb way to do transit. They have all the problems of
the personal car.

 

[MooseFET]

The numbers indicate that this measure is an indicator of a depressed
economy.

You can only run the credit card debt up so far. The US has been
spending down its assets for the last several years. Now they are
starting to run out. The whole economic rise since 2000 is an
illusion. The average person is worse off today than 7 years ago.
Their wages are down and they are further in debt. Buy spending their
savings they have maintained a high standard of living and hence a
high CO2 production for about as long as they could. Now we should
expect at least a couple of bad years and a bear market and less CO2.

 

[Jim Thompson]

A story:
Some years ago, I'm entering a Safeway, a
pretty girl accosts me, she wants a signature
on a petition to nuke the baby seals or
something. I retort: "We have enough taxes
and feelgood ecoprograms, I'l pass."

She answers: "It won't require new taxes, it
willl be funded by bonds."

Yes folks, a breakthrough in political economy...
gubmit programs can be paid for with bonds,
NO TAXES NEEDED.

She was sweet and earnest and dim, a
concerned citizen.. and a voter. Scary, huh?

You should ask her if it's OK for a convicted felon to sign a
petition... then sign a fictitious name and address along with the
annotation "convicted felon" ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[BradGuth]

Expensive, who cares? We're talking about the
ENVIRONMENT, we can't worry about filty lucre.
What are you, a greedy Republican?

Let the gov't fund it, won't cost a farthing! That's
why we need visionaries like Al Gore, bold men
not afraid to take on the special interests, leading
by example.

How much cheap h2o2 would you like for your electric cars?

How about a Hummwe/SUV at zero NOx and 100 empg?
- Brad Guth

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Out of logical arguments I see. Oh well.

He's out of 'Donkeynip', too.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

He's a career pol, with limitless power lust,
as do they all. Does that necessarily equate
to evil?

1 Timothy 6:10:

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some
coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves
through with many sorrows.

You decide.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Charlie Edmondson]

How much cheap h2o2 would you like for your electric cars?

How about a Hummwe/SUV at zero NOx and 100 empg?
- Brad Guth

Brad,
Just go away now. This ain't SEH where you have a couple of logical
engineers around, this is SED where the REAL engineers will tear you a
new one!

Charlie

 

[Jim Thompson]

Expensive, who cares? We're talking about the
ENVIRONMENT, we can't worry about filty lucre.
What are you, a greedy Republican?

Let the gov't fund it, won't cost a farthing! That's
why we need visionaries like Al Gore, bold men
not afraid to take on the special interests, leading
by example.

Awwww shit! Another fucking retarded village idiot :-(

...Jim Thompson

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Awwww shit! Another fucking retarded village idiot :-(

What do you expect? There aren't many villages left in the US, and
their idiots have to go SOMEWHERE!


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Jim Thompson]

What do you expect? There aren't many villages left in the US, and
their idiots have to go SOMEWHERE!

Gaaaack! That "visionaries like Al Gore" almost made me throw up :-(

...Jim Thompson

 

[BradGuth]

LOL !

Al Gore is going to look such an idiot in a couple of years.

Graham

Just because Al Gore isn't Yiddish enough, is this why the rest of you
folks don't like him?

The regular laws of physics and the science is there to behold,
whereas at least 10% and possibly as great as 25% of the ongoing GW
fiasco is in fact human related.

All the rest of our environmental demise has to do with the 5.556e16
w.h or the 2e20 joules worth of applied gravity/tidal factors that you
silly folks of Yiddish naysayism can divide up any way you'd like.
- Brad Guth

 

[BradGuth]

Brad,
Just go away now. This ain't SEH where you have a couple of logical
engineers around, this is SED where the REAL engineers will tear you a
new one!

Charlie

Why are you Yiddish folks so deathly afraid of allowing any surplus of
the 100% renewable energy, as for such clean energy going into the
productions of LH2 and h2o2?

Why are you against a Hummer/SUV that gets 100 empg and creates zero
NOx?
- Brad Guth

 

[BradGuth]

Expensive, who cares? We're talking about the
ENVIRONMENT, we can't worry about filty lucre.
What are you, a greedy Republican?

Let the gov't fund it, won't cost a farthing! That's
why we need visionaries like Al Gore, bold men
not afraid to take on the special interests, leading
by example.

Jews want absolutely nothing to do with your kind, as clearly
demonstrated by way of those posting against your every kind thought.
It's what Jews do best, even if it means having to put another one of
their own kind on a stick.
- Brad Guth

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gaaaack! That "visionaries like Al Gore" almost made me throw up :-(

Aim carefully, he's a small target from where you are.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Ian]

I think it's 38,540 in a British ton but I'm no longer sure of the
numbers.

Graham

35840

Regards
Ian

 

[James Arthur]

The numbers indicate that this measure is an indicator of a depressed
economy.

Yes, the words say that, but the economy is thriving, not depressed.

I did find it interesting that there's a surge in CO2 every election
year.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

LOL !

Al Gore is going to look such an idiot in a couple of years.

You mean like Paul Ehrlich? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich