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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Unless you others of your naysay kind are standing in our way, we can
fix that little pesky issue of our having such piss poor power grids.
- Brad Guth -


Do you have a few trillion dollars laying around to invest in new
power plants and distribution systems? The greenies have stopped the
construction of new power plants around the world for so long there is
almost ZERO reserve capacity.


Just because you want something to be true, won't make it so.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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Eric Gisin

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
Is that really so ? You learn something every day !
I don't know that it's common, but on net forums it's a good indicator.
Anyone who claims their opponents must be part of some organization is paranoid.
For example: jews/masons/illuminati control the world (goes back centuries),
critics of nuclear power or global warming hysteria work for the oil industry, etc.

Here's are case study of someone diagnosed with schizophrenia and who infuenced Nazis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Maria_Wiligut
 
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Charlie Edmondson

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth raved:
LO2 or LOX is a wee bit spendy/tough to store in sufficient volume and/
or for any extended time, whereas a composite reinforced storage tank
of high-test h2o2 is good for at least a month at a time without
losing 10% of its poop (possibly as little as -5%/month).
- Brad Guth -

LMAO! Braddie thinks LOX is hard to store, when he is talking about
high-purity H2O2! At least LOX doesn't spontaneously decompose if you
get a speck of dust in it! ;-)

Charlie
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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As a comedian is fond of saying, you can fix ugly, but you can't fix stupid.

daestrom


People can't help being born dumb. They can help being nasty. If
they're nasty enough, even smart people can make themselves dumb,
several examples of which are nearby.

John
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Kerosene. And Peroxide. Isn't that what they ran the V-2 on?

V2 was alcohol and lox. It did use H2O2 to power the turbopumps.

John
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Your racist obsession makes you look exceedingly stupid.

And the lack of truth makes you and others of your kind look how?
- Brad Guth -
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
And the lack of truth makes you and others of your kind look how?

You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you round the face. You're living in a
world of fantasy ideas.

Graham
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Where? Oh, you must be seeing things again. In any event, anyone
who knows chemistry can figure out the above fact. I'm still curious
as to how you get 40 kW/m^3 from variants of solar energy.

A 100~125 meter tall tower will take up roughly 100 m2 worth of
surface footprint at it's base, that which can't easily be utilized
for all that much other than a fluid storage tank or perhaps on behalf
whatever fluid processing that could rather easily be contained within
the somewhat less than 100 m2 interior. However, on top of this
sucker is a good 3.5~4.5 MW wind turbine, and well enough below the
blade sweep is a very large DVD like disk of those 25% efficient PV
cells (we're talking better than twice that amount if using William
Mook's multi-band and special lens enhanced PV cells) that'll track
sunrise to sunset, as well enough elevated above the local terrain and
whatever trees so that full solar benefit is easily maintained.

Of course, further below the 8000 m2 PV disk or array of solar energy
collection that'll more than added those daytime 500 kw is either
common/public open space that's usable as is, as well as capable of
accommodating whatever multi-(<3)-story light commercial structures or
perfectly safe habitats for us humans that can't seem to ever get
enough energy to badly waste.

Of course the tower portion above the large primary disk/array of PV
cells can itself be covered in those conventional PVs of 25%
efficiency, as quite possibly contributing yet another 100 kw by day
without measurably degrading the huge wind turbine aspects of this
tower that's likely made in China.

Thus far that's capable of off-the-shelf averaging more than 4 MW per
100 m2 of a given tower's surface footprint (there's a little more
that's underground, but that doesn't count because it's out of sight
and doesn't detract from land usage), just like I've told each of
those other "The Ghost In The Machine" individuals before.

Of course not every location on Earth is best suited for extracting
wind energy, but most places suited for wind farming or those of
individual private installation sites are typically also good solar PV
sites. So, all and all it's offering a clean and renewable win-win
that's good for safely delivering 40 kw/m2. Like I'd asked before;
how many spare/surplus teraWatts of clean energy would you folks like
Warren Buffett, William Mook and myself to deliver?

One million towers and we're speaking of 4 squeaky clean teraWatts.
1e6 towers X $1e7 each is merely $1e13 of our hard earned loot as
wisely spent over as little as a decade, would have cost us far less
than our 9/11 fiasco, and we'd all be clean energy set for life. I'd
call this one an all out war on behalf of extracting clean energy,
except there wouldn't be any spendy shock and awe of collateral damage
and such massive carnage of the innocent.

Perhaps fewer towers and more of tidal and geothermal derived energy
might become the compromise, of having merely 100,000 such towers, and
the rest of the clean/renewable energy pie coming in from those tidal
and geothermal considerations, plus watever hydroelectric and nuclear
we can mange without causing ourselves more harm than good.
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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Belief that "evil jews control the world" is very common in schizophrenia.

Don't forget Guth's Venus illusions:http://www.crank.net/space.html

Thanks for the Venus plug. How about the other (we didn't walk on the
moon) plug? or how about plugging my LSE-CM/ISS or just Venus L2 POOF
City?
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you round the face. You're living in a
world of fantasy ideas.

Interesting that you folks consider the regular laws of physics and
the best available science as a "world of fantasy ideas". Is that
what yout think of Einstein or the likes of Warren Buffett?

Why are you silly Yids so deathly afraid of what other Yids invented
and/or improved upon in the first place?
- Brad Guth -
 
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BradGuth

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth raved:








LMAO! Braddie thinks LOX is hard to store, when he is talking about
high-purity H2O2! At least LOX doesn't spontaneously decompose if you
get a speck of dust in it! ;-)

NO, instead LOx makes most everything extremely testy and very
explosive worthy, as otherwise being a very use it or lose it kind of
fluid. It's sort of why LOx is so often used for rocket fuel.
- Brad Guth -
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
Interesting that you folks consider the regular laws of physics and
the best available science as a "world of fantasy ideas".

It's you who doesn't understand *practical* physics you MORON.

Graham
 
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The Ghost In The Machine

Jan 1, 1970
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In sci.physics, BradGuth
<[email protected]>
wrote
A 100~125 meter tall tower will take up roughly 100 m2 worth of
surface footprint at it's base, that which can't easily be utilized
for all that much other than a fluid storage tank or perhaps on behalf
whatever fluid processing that could rather easily be contained within
the somewhat less than 100 m2 interior. However, on top of this
sucker is a good 3.5~4.5 MW wind turbine, and well enough below the
blade sweep is a very large DVD like disk of those 25% efficient PV
cells (we're talking better than twice that amount if using William
Mook's multi-band and special lens enhanced PV cells) that'll track
sunrise to sunset, as well enough elevated above the local terrain and
whatever trees so that full solar benefit is easily maintained.

The only problem is that those solar cells cast a shadow. Is there
anything nearby? Oh, another tower? Won't do that other tower
much good, will it?

Oops.
Of course, further below the 8000 m2 PV disk or array of solar energy
collection that'll more than added those daytime 500 kw is either
common/public open space that's usable as is,

If one likes shade.
as well as capable of
accommodating whatever multi-(<3)-story light commercial structures or
perfectly safe habitats for us humans that can't seem to ever get
enough energy to badly waste.

Of course the tower portion above the large primary disk/array of PV
cells can itself be covered in those conventional PVs of 25%
efficiency, as quite possibly contributing yet another 100 kw by day
without measurably degrading the huge wind turbine aspects of this
tower that's likely made in China.

Thus far that's capable of off-the-shelf averaging more than 4 MW per
100 m2 of a given tower's surface footprint (there's a little more
that's underground, but that doesn't count because it's out of sight
and doesn't detract from land usage), just like I've told each of
those other "The Ghost In The Machine" individuals before.

There's only one, numbnutz. Unless you want to claim I have multiple
personalities. (Maybe I do. Depends on my mood. You can't tell.)
Of course not every location on Earth is best suited for extracting
wind energy, but most places suited for wind farming or those of
individual private installation sites are typically also good solar PV
sites. So, all and all it's offering a clean and renewable win-win
that's good for safely delivering 40 kw/m2. Like I'd asked before;
how many spare/surplus teraWatts of clean energy would you folks like
Warren Buffett, William Mook and myself to deliver?

How many hectares of land (1 hectare = 2.47 acres or 10000 m^2) would
it require, even assuming your 40 kW/m^2?

And how much would that land cost?

Also, the current power utilization of the US is about 4
trillion kWh/year, or 456 gigawatts. Oil consumption is
about 20.73 million bbl/day, or 1.46 terawatts (since 1
barrel of oil is about 6.1 gigaJoules).

The good you've got enough power.

The bad it'll cost.
One million towers and we're speaking of 4 squeaky clean teraWatts.

Highly debatable, mostly because PV fab costs are relatively high.
They are, however, coming down to the point where ROI thereon
might be 5 years, if one is lucky.

Also, there's still the shadow issue. A 100 m high tower
is going to cast at least a 100 m shadow. This will more
than double the acreage requirement ... and may quadruple
it, depending on how much usable sunlight one wishes over
the course of a day.

A naive calculation, taking into account the shadow
problem, suggests about 400 megahectares, or 1.5 million
square miles. This is more than twice the size of the
state of Alaska.

That would be quite a facility, and be readily visible from
space.
1e6 towers X $1e7 each is merely $1e13 of our hard earned loot as

$1e13 is about the yearly GDP of the entire US at present.
wisely spent over as little as a decade, would have cost us far less
than our 9/11 fiasco, and we'd all be clean energy set for life. I'd
call this one an all out war on behalf of extracting clean energy,
except there wouldn't be any spendy shock and awe of collateral damage
and such massive carnage of the innocent.

Perhaps fewer towers and more of tidal and geothermal derived energy
might become the compromise, of having merely 100,000 such towers, and
the rest of the clean/renewable energy pie coming in from those tidal
and geothermal considerations, plus watever hydroelectric and nuclear
we can mange without causing ourselves more harm than good.

You have written your Congressperson with this proposal, right?
 
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Charlie Edmondson

Jan 1, 1970
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BradGuth said:
NO, instead LOx makes most everything extremely testy and very
explosive worthy, as otherwise being a very use it or lose it kind of
fluid. It's sort of why LOx is so often used for rocket fuel.
- Brad Guth -

Hey Braddie,
I wasn't saying LOX was safe! I was saying, compared to H2O2, it is
soda water! :cool:

Charlie
 
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bill

Jan 1, 1970
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Hey Braddie,
I wasn't saying LOX was safe! I was saying, compared to H2O2, it is
soda water! :cool:

Charlie

As an example of the scale of the issue, you can go to the local
welding supply store and for $100 get a 50 gallon tank of LOX, 50
gallons of high purity H2O2 cannot be purchased *anywhere* without
some rather extravagant licensing and permitting.
 
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daestrom

Jan 1, 1970
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The Ghost In The Machine said:
In sci.physics, BradGuth
<[email protected]>
wrote


The only problem is that those solar cells cast a shadow. Is there
anything nearby? Oh, another tower? Won't do that other tower
much good, will it?

Or worse, modules around the one tower. The idea of one 8000 m2 PV disk
tracking the daily sun is pretty daunting. But if you break it up into
several smaller modules, say 100 of 80m2 each, then when the sun isn't
directly overhead, the modules closest to the sun are casting shadows on the
ones directly behind them. Space them out far enough that you can get full
sun on all of them for about six hours a day and you just about double the
distance between them. Any more than that and simple trigonometry expands
the spacing needed very quickly.

Yep, it's a pretty big 'oops'.

daestrom
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Or worse, modules around the one tower. The idea of one 8000 m2 PV disk
tracking the daily sun is pretty daunting. But if you break it up into
several smaller modules, say 100 of 80m2 each, then when the sun isn't
directly overhead, the modules closest to the sun are casting shadows on the
ones directly behind them. Space them out far enough that you can get full
sun on all of them for about six hours a day and you just about double the
distance between them. Any more than that and simple trigonometry expands
the spacing needed very quickly.

Presumably you locate a windmill where there's lots of wind, which
will now and then blow away the solar arrays.

And at night, and on cloudy days, the power comes from... where?

John
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:59:32 -0400, "daestrom"


Presumably you locate a windmill where there's lots of wind, which
will now and then blow away the solar arrays.

And at night, and on cloudy days, the power comes from... where?

H202 powered generators powering light bulbs, shining on the solar
arrays. Why, you have a problem with H2O2?
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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As an example of the scale of the issue, you can go to the local
welding supply store and for $100 get a 50 gallon tank of LOX, 50
gallons of high purity H2O2 cannot be purchased *anywhere* without
some rather extravagant licensing and permitting.

To be fair, there are good reasons to have LOX.
 
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Robert Adsett

Jan 1, 1970
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John Larkin said:
Presumably you locate a windmill where there's lots of wind, which
will now and then blow away the solar arrays.

That's why you put the solar cells on the windmill blades :)

Robert
 
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