Wiring in Winter

[CH®IS]

Just curious to get everyone's opinion on the minimum temperature alarm wire
can safely be run at for prewires.

I've always heard it's -15c but have never heard a reason for it.

 

[Frank Olson]

Just curious to get everyone's opinion on the minimum temperature alarm wire
can safely be run at for prewires.

I've always heard it's -15c but have never heard a reason for it.

After having survived several winters in Edmonton, I can safely say
things get pretty stiff at -15C. Most of the houses we pre-wired had
propane heaters in them. Leave your boxes of wire a few feet away from
one of these puppies and you won't have a problem. I've pulled wire as
low as -25C without a hitch.

 

[JoeRaisin]

Just curious to get everyone's opinion on the minimum temperature alarm wire
can safely be run at for prewires.

I've always heard it's -15c but have never heard a reason for it.

I don't know what the limit may be but I do know if the insulation is
too cold it shatters when you staple it.

I try use several boxes and keep rotating them into a warm area (last
choice - cab of the truck).

Best choice is to avoid stapling when its cold - I generally use a lot
more zip ties.

 

[Jim]

I don't know what the limit may be but I do know if the insulation is
too cold it shatters when you staple it.

I try use several boxes and keep rotating them into a warm area (last
choice - cab of the truck).

Best choice is to avoid stapling when its cold - I generally use a lot
more zip ties.

I remember many years ago, I was working in new construction. It was
reeeeally cold out. I had to pull some wires through some holes I'd
drilled through some floor joists. Had about 4 or 5 four wires to
pull. Wire was stiff, but I didn't give it a thought. I threaded the
wire through a number of beams, pulled the wire out of the box and
started to drag the wires through the holes I'd drilled, as I walked
across the room. As I walked, I hear behind me, something scattering
on the floor. I look and see little colored pieces of plastic on the
floor that had come off of about 15 feet of wire as it dragged over
the edge of the last hole. It was a surprise but a lesson learned. Now
I drag the propane heater out when the temp is going below freezing.
Pain in the butt .............. but ..... whatever! Keeps the coffee
warm too.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Just curious to get everyone's opinion on the minimum temperature
alarm wire can safely be run at for prewires.

I've always heard it's -15c but have never heard a reason for it.

I suppose there's a reason (PVC brittle perhaps?) not to pull cable
at such temperatures but why would you want to anyway?

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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[Frank Olson]

I have heard of Hamburger Helper. Is this how you make frozen helper?
At -13F I'd never leave anywhere that was warm to go out in that.
It is time to stay home.

Wuss.

 

[Frank Olson]

Come to Texas in August and work in the attic until noon.

That's plain dumb. Get all your runs done before 0900. Yes, it means
you'll have to start at 0830 or so, but hey... the "early bird", 'n all
that. ;-)

It's only 140 F
and 100% humidity.

Try workin' in -25 C. That'll put some frost on that hair on our face.

When you look like you just fell into a swimming pool
with all your clothes on, then you can call me wuss.

You're talkin' to a guy that lives on the "wet" coast. I could call you
a "wuss" almost every day.

 

[Frank Olson]

I have a beard. Unless I was driving south, I wouldn't even go outside
in -25 C, let alone try to work.
Wuss.



Well it's not necessarily a new installation. In this area there are lots of
native pecan tress. Rodents, especially squirrels, like using those pecans
as a food resource. The animals then decide any adjacent structure with an
attic is a better place to hang out. Once there the pecan thing seems less
enticing than good old 22-2 loop wire. So no matter when you start your day,
when the service ticket for that location comes in you can bet you'll get to
spend some time in the attic repairing the gnaw fest.

That would just plain suck. There's "ways and means" to make your attic
wire runs less enticing to furry freeloaders by the way. Garlic works
on bats (or is it just vampires?). I wonder if it does the same for
squirrels?

Some guys even bring
pellet guns on repeat calls to get rid of the pesky varmints. Then the
challenge is to sneak the carcass past the homeowner and the kids (because
they've probably named the stupid thing by that point).

Take your lunch box up with you. You can always ask the homeowner for
some margarine and mustard because you're going to your van to make some
fresh squirrel sandwiches.

Other times,
sticking your head in a roof-top cupola and finding you're not alone can be
an experience to remember.

Been there. Not squirrels though... Bats. They're really creepy.

Did I mention squirrels bite?

But only when they smell pecans on your breath.

 

[CH®IS]

I suppose there's a reason (PVC brittle perhaps?) not to pull cable at
such temperatures but why would you want to anyway?

You'd want to in order to save the lives and property of the people who live
here in the cold Canadian winter.

In case you've forgotten that end of the business, it's not all about making
a profit selling parts to people who don't know what to do with them and
taking trips to Brazil with their hard earned and easily lost money. It's
about helping people and making the community you live in a better place to
live.

 

[Frank Olson]

...

You'd want to in order to save the lives and property of the people who live
here in the cold Canadian winter.

In case you've forgotten that end of the business, it's not all about making
a profit selling parts to people who don't know what to do with them and
taking trips to Brazil with their hard earned and easily lost money. It's
about helping people and making the community you live in a better place to
live.

Some people think that home construction comes to a stand-still when
Winter comes. Some people think that homeowners only buy security
systems in the Spring, Summer, and early Fall. Some people think that
running wire is no longer necessary (or archaic). Some people think
that a nine year kid can wire up and program a fire alarm panel and
would be qualified to provide technical support to installers and
technicians. Then again, some people simply think dumb thoughts and are
stupid enough to actually express them in a forum of mostly professionals.

 

[Robert L Bass]

...

You'd want to in order to save the lives and property of the people
who live here in the cold Canadian winter...

Suuuure. That's the reason you're in the business. Uh-huh.

In case you've forgotten that end of the business...

Cold, Canadian winters? Since I never worked there in summer or
winter, there's nothing to forget. The few times I have been to
Canada though, the folks I met seemed nice enough. I'll let you save
their lives though.

it's not all about making a profit...

Oh, so you don't make a profit? Gee, that's too bad. Maybe that's
why you're PO'd all the time -- jealousy.

selling parts to people who don't know what to do with them and
taking trips to Brazil with their hard earned and easily lost
money.

If you can't afford to take a vacation once in a while, it's not my
fault. I'm not the one who made you such a failure.

It's about helping people and making the community you live in a
better place to live...

Uh-huh. I can see by the way you post here how concerned you are
about making the community better.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-232-0791
Fax 941-870-3252
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[Frank Olson]

"Robert L Bass" wrote...

"Bobby" must have canceled this post... Anyone got the whole thing?

 

[[email protected]]

Suuuure. That's the reason you're in the business. Uh-huh.


Cold, Canadian winters? Since I never worked there in summer or
winter, there's nothing to forget. The few times I have been to
Canada though, the folks I met seemed nice enough. I'll let you save
their lives though.


Oh, so you don't make a profit? Gee, that's too bad. Maybe that's
why you're PO'd all the time -- jealousy.


If you can't afford to take a vacation once in a while, it's not my
fault. I'm not the one who made you such a failure.


Uh-huh. I can see by the way you post here how concerned you are
about making the community better.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-232-0791
Fax 941-870-3252
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hows that

 

[Robert L Bass]

hows that

How's what?

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-232-0791
Fax 941-870-3252
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[Frank Olson]

That was the whole thing.

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Yeah... I figured.