:) Alun, thanks for you help. It has opened up a whole new world for me, sad i know. I would like to here your thoughts about this, My project spec has altered slightly although I will still pursue it. (So in effect I have 2 projects on the go but this one is slightly more important) I am now going to attempt to build a torch for my bike using leds. :-\ I know you can buy bike lights cheaper fully assembled but where is the fun in that. I would like to add a few features standard lights don't have I think?? and build it myself.... keeps me out of trouble :) I would like to use the PWM circuit because of the dimming function, I intend to use this as part of the additional light functions. I have earmarked the circuit in the link below, if that is the correct way to go?? http://www.electronics-lab.com/forum/index.php?topic=2373.0 I would like to change the supply voltage from 12V to 6V. (Batteries are cheaper) I am going to use 19 leds for this torch, I have chosen 5000mcd white leds. I have also drawn up a preliminary layout for the led pcb see attached (not final) I will use SMT resistors for the leds to keep the physical size to a minimum (its approx the size of a 50pence piece) I will also sketch up the other boards when I get a chance I am going to add a battery monitor which gives me a visual indication using a circuit I found on the internet http://www.uoguelph.ca/~antoon/circ/batmon12.htm I will post pics of the board when I make it and all of the stages of the light manufacture, if any one is interested?? Should I move this thread to a new location??